Re: [TML] Pilot position Evyn Gutierrez (28 Jun 2020 01:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Rupert Boleyn (28 Jun 2020 02:19 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 Jun 2020 10:10 UTC)
RE: [TML] Pilot position Frank Filz (28 Jun 2020 18:01 UTC)
RE: [TML] Pilot position Thomas RUX (29 Jun 2020 19:38 UTC)
RE: [TML] Pilot position Frank Filz (29 Jun 2020 21:05 UTC)
RE: [TML] Pilot position Thomas RUX (30 Jun 2020 03:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 Jun 2020 05:35 UTC)
RE: [TML] Pilot position Frank Filz (30 Jun 2020 18:57 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Rupert Boleyn (30 Jun 2020 19:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 Jun 2020 20:41 UTC)
RE: [TML] Pilot position Frank Filz (30 Jun 2020 21:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (01 Jul 2020 01:49 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Phil Pugliese (02 Jul 2020 22:01 UTC)
RE: [TML] Pilot position Frank Filz (02 Jul 2020 22:36 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (02 Jul 2020 23:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Phil Pugliese (04 Jul 2020 21:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (04 Jul 2020 21:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Rupert Boleyn (05 Jul 2020 02:46 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (05 Jul 2020 05:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Rupert Boleyn (05 Jul 2020 05:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Phil Pugliese (07 Jul 2020 04:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (07 Jul 2020 23:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Jeffrey Schwartz (08 Jul 2020 00:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (08 Jul 2020 00:07 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Jeffrey Schwartz (08 Jul 2020 00:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Phil Pugliese (13 Jul 2020 06:05 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (13 Jul 2020 06:13 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Phil Pugliese (21 Jul 2020 15:03 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Thomas RUX (13 Jul 2020 13:33 UTC)
(missing)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Phil Pugliese (21 Jul 2020 15:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Thomas RUX (22 Jul 2020 02:55 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Phil Pugliese (28 Jul 2020 00:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Thomas RUX (28 Jul 2020 02:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Thomas RUX (06 Aug 2020 20:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Rupert Boleyn (06 Aug 2020 20:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Thomas RUX (06 Aug 2020 22:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Timothy Collinson (06 Aug 2020 22:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Jeff Zeitlin (13 Jul 2020 17:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Phil Pugliese (12 Jul 2020 13:39 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (12 Jul 2020 18:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Phil Pugliese (21 Jul 2020 08:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (21 Jul 2020 10:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Hubert Figuiere (22 Jul 2020 14:28 UTC)
RE: [TML] Pilot position Frank Filz (22 Jul 2020 17:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (22 Jul 2020 18:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Phil Pugliese (28 Jul 2020 00:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Thomas RUX (28 Jul 2020 02:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 Jul 2020 03:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Phil Pugliese (31 Jul 2020 04:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Phil Pugliese (27 Jul 2020 02:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (27 Jul 2020 17:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Jeff Zeitlin (21 Jul 2020 10:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Phil Pugliese (27 Jul 2020 02:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Jeff Zeitlin (27 Jul 2020 10:17 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (27 Jul 2020 17:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Phil Pugliese (30 Jul 2020 03:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 Jul 2020 15:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Phil Pugliese (02 Aug 2020 14:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Phil Pugliese (29 Jul 2020 23:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (23 Jul 2020 23:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Rupert Boleyn (24 Jul 2020 00:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (24 Jul 2020 01:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Kelly St. Clair (24 Jul 2020 03:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (24 Jul 2020 08:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Thomas RUX (24 Jul 2020 13:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (24 Jul 2020 13:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Thomas RUX (24 Jul 2020 20:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Thomas RUX (25 Jul 2020 14:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Thomas RUX (24 Jul 2020 13:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Timothy Collinson (24 Jul 2020 07:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Alex Goodwin (03 Jul 2020 08:46 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Timothy Collinson (03 Jul 2020 09:25 UTC)
RE: [TML] Pilot position Frank Filz (04 Jul 2020 02:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (04 Jul 2020 06:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Phil Pugliese (04 Jul 2020 09:37 UTC)
RE: [TML] Pilot position Frank Filz (04 Jul 2020 15:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (04 Jul 2020 18:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (02 Jul 2020 22:55 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Phil Pugliese (04 Jul 2020 20:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Rupert Boleyn (02 Jul 2020 23:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 Jun 2020 10:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] Pilot position Thomas RUX (29 Jun 2020 18:58 UTC)

RE: [TML] Pilot position Frank Filz 28 Jun 2020 18:01 UTC

Here's my answer to the Pilot/Ship's Boat dilemma:

Pilot and Ship’s Boat

Ship’s Boat is a subset of Pilot that only applies while piloting a ship in M-Drive. Pilot is required to pilot a ship through a jump and also applies when piloting a ship in M-Drive. If a character earns ranks in both skills, the levels should be added together and listed as Pilot skill.

So Ship's Boat skill lets you pilot any space craft in system and for landing and takeoff, but Pilot skill is necessary to pilot a ship into and through jump.

Frank

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> Boleyn
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>
>
>
> On 28Jun2020 1347, Evyn Gutierrez wrote:
> >
> > Sure make me go read the various iterations of Pilot and Shipsboat.
> > The biggest difference is in handling.
> >
> > Note in one of the early adventures air/rafts in zero g required
> > Shipsboat skill to operate.
> >
> > Also note the skill acquisition tables pilot generally on the advanced
> > education table (edu8+)
> >
> > Shipsboat also talks more about aerospace operations, while Pilot
> > briefly discusses atmospheric flight, it primarily allows the
> > operation of the Jump Drive..
> >
> I think the breakpoint being 100 DTons is arbitrary from an external POV, but in-
> universe it makes sense - it's the point where a ship can be jump capable (give or
> take). That's why anything smaller is a boat, and anything bigger is a ship even if
> it doesn't have a jump drive.
>
> This is such a big distinction that it colours how everyone thinks of space vessels,
> and thus even a 100 DTon intra-system barge is called a 'spaceship', and is given
> ship-style control systems, instrumentation, and so on. A 95 DTon shuttle is a
> 'boat' and has the controls, sensors, and instrumentation appropriate to a boat.
> Thus, even though that 95 DTon shuttle is closer to the barge in size than it is to
> a 20 DTon launch, you fly it like a big launch rather than a slightly smaller barge
> because that's how the controls are set up and that's how it reacts to command
> input.
>
> In keeping with this, it's also how licensing is regulated. The authorities
> recognise two grades of space vessel licence, 'Ships Boat'
> and 'Pilot'. I would argue that while a Pilot is licensed to fly small craft, at Pilot-1
> (and thus effective Ship's Boat-0) this only allows them limited non-commercial
> flight (a restriction probably observed more in the breech in most systems), and
> only at Pilot-2 is it the full equivalent of Ship's Boat in terms of what you can
> legally fly.
>
> When it comes to what you learn, Ship's Boat simply leaves out everything
> related to jump space insertion, etc. while Pilot tends to be a bit thin on
> interface operations.
>
> I would allow someone with Ship's Boat-1 or better to undertake Pilot checks for
> interface and orbital operations as if they were Pilot-0 (so they avoid any
> penalties for being unskilled), but that would be it.
>
> Finally, as far as I'm concerned Pilot-1 (or Pilot-0 in an emergency, but don't let
> the traffic cops catch you!) is good enough to Pilot a ship of any size. They all
> have the same sort of instruments and controls, and manoeuvre in the same
> way - the bigger ships are just slower to roll, pitch, etc., but flying an Ashanti
> High Lightning into a gas giant for refuelling is no different from flying a Type-S,
> or wouldn't be if the designers had bothered to streamline the AHL properly.
>
> Remember, on the scale of most ship operations in Traveller, a 75 KDTon
> Atlantic-class heavy cruiser with 5G acceleration is /more/ nimble than a 100
> DTon Type-S scout with 2G acceleration. Only when docking and the like would
> the Atlantic's great size make it seem clumsy.
>
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>
> Rupert Boleyn <xxxxxx@gmail.com>
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