Re: [TML] Pilot position
Evyn Gutierrez
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Re: [TML] Pilot position Rupert Boleyn (28 Jun 2020 02:19 UTC)
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kaladorn@xxxxxx
(28 Jun 2020 10:10 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Pilot position
Frank Filz
(28 Jun 2020 18:01 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Pilot position
Thomas RUX
(29 Jun 2020 19:38 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Pilot position
Frank Filz
(29 Jun 2020 21:05 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Pilot position
Thomas RUX
(30 Jun 2020 03:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(30 Jun 2020 05:35 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Pilot position
Frank Filz
(30 Jun 2020 18:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Rupert Boleyn
(30 Jun 2020 19:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(30 Jun 2020 20:41 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Pilot position
Frank Filz
(30 Jun 2020 21:45 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(01 Jul 2020 01:49 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Phil Pugliese
(02 Jul 2020 22:01 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Pilot position
Frank Filz
(02 Jul 2020 22:36 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(02 Jul 2020 23:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Phil Pugliese
(04 Jul 2020 21:00 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(04 Jul 2020 21:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Rupert Boleyn
(05 Jul 2020 02:46 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(05 Jul 2020 05:01 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Rupert Boleyn
(05 Jul 2020 05:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Phil Pugliese
(07 Jul 2020 04:27 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(07 Jul 2020 23:47 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Jeffrey Schwartz
(08 Jul 2020 00:01 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(08 Jul 2020 00:07 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Jeffrey Schwartz
(08 Jul 2020 00:26 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Phil Pugliese
(13 Jul 2020 06:05 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(13 Jul 2020 06:13 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Phil Pugliese
(21 Jul 2020 15:03 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Thomas RUX
(13 Jul 2020 13:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Phil Pugliese
(21 Jul 2020 15:45 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Thomas RUX
(22 Jul 2020 02:55 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Phil Pugliese
(28 Jul 2020 00:40 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Thomas RUX
(28 Jul 2020 02:30 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Thomas RUX
(06 Aug 2020 20:45 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Rupert Boleyn
(06 Aug 2020 20:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Thomas RUX
(06 Aug 2020 22:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Timothy Collinson
(06 Aug 2020 22:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Jeff Zeitlin
(13 Jul 2020 17:42 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Phil Pugliese
(12 Jul 2020 13:39 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(12 Jul 2020 18:56 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Phil Pugliese
(21 Jul 2020 08:11 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(21 Jul 2020 10:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Hubert Figuiere
(22 Jul 2020 14:28 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Pilot position
Frank Filz
(22 Jul 2020 17:27 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(22 Jul 2020 18:20 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Phil Pugliese
(28 Jul 2020 00:56 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Thomas RUX
(28 Jul 2020 02:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(28 Jul 2020 03:11 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Phil Pugliese
(31 Jul 2020 04:41 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Phil Pugliese
(27 Jul 2020 02:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(27 Jul 2020 17:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Jeff Zeitlin
(21 Jul 2020 10:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Phil Pugliese
(27 Jul 2020 02:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Jeff Zeitlin
(27 Jul 2020 10:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(27 Jul 2020 17:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Phil Pugliese
(30 Jul 2020 03:20 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(30 Jul 2020 15:40 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Phil Pugliese
(02 Aug 2020 14:14 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Phil Pugliese
(29 Jul 2020 23:35 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(23 Jul 2020 23:45 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Rupert Boleyn
(24 Jul 2020 00:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(24 Jul 2020 01:14 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Kelly St. Clair
(24 Jul 2020 03:47 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(24 Jul 2020 08:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Thomas RUX
(24 Jul 2020 13:01 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(24 Jul 2020 13:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Thomas RUX
(24 Jul 2020 20:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Thomas RUX
(25 Jul 2020 14:48 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Thomas RUX
(24 Jul 2020 13:04 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Timothy Collinson
(24 Jul 2020 07:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Alex Goodwin
(03 Jul 2020 08:46 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Timothy Collinson
(03 Jul 2020 09:25 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Pilot position
Frank Filz
(04 Jul 2020 02:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(04 Jul 2020 06:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Phil Pugliese
(04 Jul 2020 09:37 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Pilot position
Frank Filz
(04 Jul 2020 15:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(04 Jul 2020 18:11 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(02 Jul 2020 22:55 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Phil Pugliese
(04 Jul 2020 20:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Rupert Boleyn
(02 Jul 2020 23:42 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(28 Jun 2020 10:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Pilot position
Thomas RUX
(29 Jun 2020 18:58 UTC)
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On 28Jun2020 1347, Evyn Gutierrez wrote: > > Sure make me go read the various iterations of Pilot and Shipsboat. > The biggest difference is in handling. > > Note in one of the early adventures air/rafts in zero g required > Shipsboat skill to operate. > > Also note the skill acquisition tables pilot generally on the advanced > education table (edu8+) > > Shipsboat also talks more about aerospace operations, while Pilot > briefly discusses atmospheric flight, it primarily allows the > operation of the Jump Drive.. > I think the breakpoint being 100 DTons is arbitrary from an external POV, but in-universe it makes sense - it's the point where a ship can be jump capable (give or take). That's why anything smaller is a boat, and anything bigger is a ship even if it doesn't have a jump drive. This is such a big distinction that it colours how everyone thinks of space vessels, and thus even a 100 DTon intra-system barge is called a 'spaceship', and is given ship-style control systems, instrumentation, and so on. A 95 DTon shuttle is a 'boat' and has the controls, sensors, and instrumentation appropriate to a boat. Thus, even though that 95 DTon shuttle is closer to the barge in size than it is to a 20 DTon launch, you fly it like a big launch rather than a slightly smaller barge because that's how the controls are set up and that's how it reacts to command input. In keeping with this, it's also how licensing is regulated. The authorities recognise two grades of space vessel licence, 'Ships Boat' and 'Pilot'. I would argue that while a Pilot is licensed to fly small craft, at Pilot-1 (and thus effective Ship's Boat-0) this only allows them limited non-commercial flight (a restriction probably observed more in the breech in most systems), and only at Pilot-2 is it the full equivalent of Ship's Boat in terms of what you can legally fly. When it comes to what you learn, Ship's Boat simply leaves out everything related to jump space insertion, etc. while Pilot tends to be a bit thin on interface operations. I would allow someone with Ship's Boat-1 or better to undertake Pilot checks for interface and orbital operations as if they were Pilot-0 (so they avoid any penalties for being unskilled), but that would be it. Finally, as far as I'm concerned Pilot-1 (or Pilot-0 in an emergency, but don't let the traffic cops catch you!) is good enough to Pilot a ship of any size. They all have the same sort of instruments and controls, and manoeuvre in the same way - the bigger ships are just slower to roll, pitch, etc., but flying an Ashanti High Lightning into a gas giant for refuelling is no different from flying a Type-S, or wouldn't be if the designers had bothered to streamline the AHL properly. Remember, on the scale of most ship operations in Traveller, a 75 KDTon Atlantic-class heavy cruiser with 5G acceleration is /more/ nimble than a 100 DTon Type-S scout with 2G acceleration. Only when docking and the like would the Atlantic's great size make it seem clumsy. -- Rupert Boleyn <xxxxxx@gmail.com>