MgT2 Low Berths kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 May 2020 07:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Timothy Collinson (28 May 2020 08:13 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Alex Goodwin (28 May 2020 08:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths shadow@xxxxxx (08 Jun 2020 04:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Greg Nokes (28 May 2020 08:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Jeff Zeitlin (28 May 2020 10:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Timothy Collinson (28 May 2020 10:49 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 May 2020 17:10 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Alex Goodwin (28 May 2020 17:34 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 May 2020 17:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Alex Goodwin (28 May 2020 18:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 May 2020 05:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Kelly St. Clair (29 May 2020 02:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 May 2020 05:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) David Johnson (29 May 2020 14:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths shadow@xxxxxx (08 Jun 2020 04:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Rupert Boleyn (08 Jun 2020 04:55 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths kaladorn@xxxxxx (08 Jun 2020 05:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 May 2020 16:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (29 May 2020 21:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 May 2020 21:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] People's Revolutionary Front (was: "Dark" Imperium?) Kelly St. Clair (29 May 2020 23:10 UTC)
Re: [TML] People's Revolutionary Front (was: "Dark" Imperium?) James Catchpole (29 May 2020 23:17 UTC)
Re: [TML] People's Revolutionary Front (was: "Dark" Imperium?) James Catchpole (30 May 2020 11:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) David Johnson (30 May 2020 03:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 May 2020 05:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) David Johnson (31 May 2020 04:13 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (31 May 2020 06:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) David Johnson (01 Jun 2020 00:44 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (01 Jun 2020 01:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Richard Aiken (01 Jun 2020 01:34 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Richard Aiken (01 Jun 2020 01:36 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (01 Jun 2020 02:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (02 Jun 2020 04:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (01 Jun 2020 02:36 UTC)
(missing)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) James Catchpole (01 Jun 2020 08:08 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Timothy Collinson (01 Jun 2020 08:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (01 Jun 2020 21:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) James Catchpole (01 Jun 2020 22:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (02 Jun 2020 11:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Timothy Collinson (02 Jun 2020 13:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (02 Jun 2020 16:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? Thomas Jones-Low (01 Jun 2020 21:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? James Catchpole (01 Jun 2020 22:17 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? Rupert Boleyn (02 Jun 2020 00:49 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? shadow@xxxxxx (08 Jun 2020 22:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? James Catchpole (08 Jun 2020 22:03 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? kaladorn@xxxxxx (08 Jun 2020 23:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? James Catchpole (08 Jun 2020 23:03 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) David Johnson (02 Jun 2020 02:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) James Catchpole (02 Jun 2020 22:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (02 Jun 2020 22:17 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (03 Jun 2020 04:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? Rupert Boleyn (03 Jun 2020 06:10 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? kaladorn@xxxxxx (03 Jun 2020 20:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? Rupert Boleyn (03 Jun 2020 23:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? kaladorn@xxxxxx (04 Jun 2020 00:55 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (02 Jun 2020 14:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (02 Jun 2020 16:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Richard Aiken (02 Jun 2020 17:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (02 Jun 2020 19:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (02 Jun 2020 21:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Richard Aiken (02 Jun 2020 22:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (02 Jun 2020 21:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (03 Jun 2020 04:14 UTC)
Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?) David Johnson (03 Jun 2020 00:36 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?) Richard Aiken (03 Jun 2020 01:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?) Phil Pugliese (03 Jun 2020 02:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?) kaladorn@xxxxxx (03 Jun 2020 04:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?) Phil Pugliese (03 Jun 2020 08:56 UTC)
(missing)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Rupert Boleyn (03 Jun 2020 09:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Kelly St. Clair (03 Jun 2020 15:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Phil Pugliese (03 Jun 2020 19:37 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble kaladorn@xxxxxx (03 Jun 2020 21:38 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Rupert Boleyn (03 Jun 2020 23:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Phil Pugliese (04 Jun 2020 07:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Rupert Boleyn (04 Jun 2020 11:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Phil Pugliese (04 Jun 2020 15:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble kaladorn@xxxxxx (04 Jun 2020 15:34 UTC)
(missing)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Rupert Boleyn (04 Jun 2020 16:05 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble kaladorn@xxxxxx (04 Jun 2020 16:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble James Catchpole (04 Jun 2020 16:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble kaladorn@xxxxxx (04 Jun 2020 23:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Phil Pugliese (05 Jun 2020 02:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble kaladorn@xxxxxx (05 Jun 2020 04:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble James Catchpole (05 Jun 2020 08:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Timothy Collinson (05 Jun 2020 08:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Phil Pugliese (06 Jun 2020 00:08 UTC)
[TML] Yokel Noble Phil Pugliese (06 Jun 2020 00:15 UTC)
Basic vs Extended chargen (was Re: [TML] Yokel Noble) Jeff Zeitlin (04 Jun 2020 19:43 UTC)
Re: Basic vs Extended chargen (was Re: [TML] Yokel Noble) James Catchpole (04 Jun 2020 22:18 UTC)
Re: Basic vs Extended chargen (was Re: [TML] Yokel Noble) kaladorn@xxxxxx (05 Jun 2020 01:08 UTC)
Re: Basic vs Extended chargen (was Re: [TML] Yokel Noble) Rupert Boleyn (05 Jun 2020 04:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?) kaladorn@xxxxxx (03 Jun 2020 21:15 UTC)

Basic vs Extended chargen (was Re: [TML] Yokel Noble) Jeff Zeitlin 04 Jun 2020 19:43 UTC

On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 11:34:29 -0400, xxxxxx@gmail.com wrote to Freelance
Traveller:

>It's funny how people see extended generation. My group always wanted it
>and people chose careers that had it over those that didn't (or asked me to
>create it). They liked the detail, the larger amount of meta-game (chargen)
>that they could use to connect to their character.

My take on extended generation is that it had good and bad features, which
were, unfortunately, closely intertwined:

The good is that it gave you a "better" view of the character's career (and
to some extent let you control it), and also presented a set of
more-narrowly-focussed skills. This is actually more consistent, in many
ways, with people's perceptions of the real world.

The primary downer was that it promoted skill proliferation, in that it was
too easy for a character to get fairly high levels of a comparatively large
number of skills - thus putting Extended-process characters at a
significant skill advantage vs basic-process characters who had the same
number of terms in the same career. Ostensibly, the INT+EDU limit was
supposed to address that, but even then, an Extended character still ended
up advantaged vs the Basic character.

A secondary downer was that it was pretty much only available for the
"major" careers in the core rules; you couldn't get an extended diplomat,
bureaucrat, noble, pirate/corsair, belter, etc., which left those
characters at a disadvantage relative to the Big Four (Mercenary, Navy,
Scout, Merchant).

The skills problem could actually have been remedied fairly easily, by
changing the rolls needed to be awarded skills - if I was guaranteed one
skill per term in basic gen, then the roll in extended gen should have been
9+ each year. Most rolls were lower than that, which meant that I could
expect more than one skill per term. Dropping the roll from a 9+ to a 7+
more than doubles the probability of getting the skill, which means that
I'd expect two skills per term - but most skill rolls in extended gen were
even lower than 7!

Alternatively, I think extended characters would still have been
advantaged, but not so badly, if the limit were (INT+EDU)/2 instead of
INT+EDU.

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--
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