MgT2 Low Berths kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 May 2020 07:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Timothy Collinson (28 May 2020 08:13 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Alex Goodwin (28 May 2020 08:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths shadow@xxxxxx (08 Jun 2020 04:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Greg Nokes (28 May 2020 08:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Jeff Zeitlin (28 May 2020 10:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Timothy Collinson (28 May 2020 10:49 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 May 2020 17:10 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Alex Goodwin (28 May 2020 17:34 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 May 2020 17:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Alex Goodwin (28 May 2020 18:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 May 2020 05:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Kelly St. Clair (29 May 2020 02:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 May 2020 05:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) David Johnson (29 May 2020 14:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 May 2020 16:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (29 May 2020 21:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 May 2020 21:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] People's Revolutionary Front (was: "Dark" Imperium?) Kelly St. Clair (29 May 2020 23:10 UTC)
Re: [TML] People's Revolutionary Front (was: "Dark" Imperium?) James Catchpole (29 May 2020 23:17 UTC)
Re: [TML] People's Revolutionary Front (was: "Dark" Imperium?) James Catchpole (30 May 2020 11:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) David Johnson (30 May 2020 03:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 May 2020 05:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) David Johnson (31 May 2020 04:13 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (31 May 2020 06:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) David Johnson (01 Jun 2020 00:44 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (01 Jun 2020 01:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Richard Aiken (01 Jun 2020 01:34 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Richard Aiken (01 Jun 2020 01:36 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (01 Jun 2020 02:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (02 Jun 2020 04:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (01 Jun 2020 02:36 UTC)
(missing)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) James Catchpole (01 Jun 2020 08:08 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? Thomas Jones-Low (01 Jun 2020 21:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? James Catchpole (01 Jun 2020 22:17 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? Rupert Boleyn (02 Jun 2020 00:49 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? shadow@xxxxxx (08 Jun 2020 22:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? James Catchpole (08 Jun 2020 22:03 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? kaladorn@xxxxxx (08 Jun 2020 23:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? James Catchpole (08 Jun 2020 23:03 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Timothy Collinson (01 Jun 2020 08:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (01 Jun 2020 21:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) James Catchpole (01 Jun 2020 22:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (02 Jun 2020 11:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Timothy Collinson (02 Jun 2020 13:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (02 Jun 2020 16:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) David Johnson (02 Jun 2020 02:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (02 Jun 2020 14:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (02 Jun 2020 16:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Richard Aiken (02 Jun 2020 17:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (02 Jun 2020 19:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (02 Jun 2020 21:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Richard Aiken (02 Jun 2020 22:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (02 Jun 2020 21:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (03 Jun 2020 04:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) James Catchpole (02 Jun 2020 22:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) Phil Pugliese (02 Jun 2020 22:17 UTC)
Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?) David Johnson (03 Jun 2020 00:36 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?) Richard Aiken (03 Jun 2020 01:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?) Phil Pugliese (03 Jun 2020 02:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?) kaladorn@xxxxxx (03 Jun 2020 04:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?) Phil Pugliese (03 Jun 2020 08:56 UTC)
(missing)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Rupert Boleyn (03 Jun 2020 09:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Kelly St. Clair (03 Jun 2020 15:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Phil Pugliese (03 Jun 2020 19:37 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble kaladorn@xxxxxx (03 Jun 2020 21:38 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Rupert Boleyn (03 Jun 2020 23:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Phil Pugliese (04 Jun 2020 07:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Rupert Boleyn (04 Jun 2020 11:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Phil Pugliese (04 Jun 2020 15:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble kaladorn@xxxxxx (04 Jun 2020 15:34 UTC)
(missing)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Rupert Boleyn (04 Jun 2020 16:05 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble kaladorn@xxxxxx (04 Jun 2020 16:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble James Catchpole (04 Jun 2020 16:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble kaladorn@xxxxxx (04 Jun 2020 23:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Phil Pugliese (05 Jun 2020 02:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble kaladorn@xxxxxx (05 Jun 2020 04:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble James Catchpole (05 Jun 2020 08:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Timothy Collinson (05 Jun 2020 08:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble Phil Pugliese (06 Jun 2020 00:08 UTC)
[TML] Yokel Noble Phil Pugliese (06 Jun 2020 00:15 UTC)
Basic vs Extended chargen (was Re: [TML] Yokel Noble) Jeff Zeitlin (04 Jun 2020 19:43 UTC)
Re: Basic vs Extended chargen (was Re: [TML] Yokel Noble) James Catchpole (04 Jun 2020 22:18 UTC)
Re: Basic vs Extended chargen (was Re: [TML] Yokel Noble) kaladorn@xxxxxx (05 Jun 2020 01:08 UTC)
Re: Basic vs Extended chargen (was Re: [TML] Yokel Noble) Rupert Boleyn (05 Jun 2020 04:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?) kaladorn@xxxxxx (03 Jun 2020 21:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths) kaladorn@xxxxxx (03 Jun 2020 04:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? Rupert Boleyn (03 Jun 2020 06:10 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? kaladorn@xxxxxx (03 Jun 2020 20:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? Rupert Boleyn (03 Jun 2020 23:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? kaladorn@xxxxxx (04 Jun 2020 00:55 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths shadow@xxxxxx (08 Jun 2020 04:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths Rupert Boleyn (08 Jun 2020 04:55 UTC)
Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths kaladorn@xxxxxx (08 Jun 2020 05:59 UTC)

Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? Rupert Boleyn 02 Jun 2020 00:49 UTC


On 02Jun2020 1017, James Catchpole - jlcatchpole at googlemail.com (via
tml list) wrote:
> If Gurps Space has the same safer version, did it precede Gurps
> Traveller or follow it? If the former, it tells us nothing about Gurps
> Traveller except that LKW simply kept the same rule. If the latter,
> then he consciously made the change.
>
> Either way, the version in the original LBBS *does* make sense in the
> context of the original source - the Dumarest series. Where it doesn't
> make sense is as a routinely used tech for frozen watches on military
> ships, as Tom pointed out.
>
> So, either you can't use low berths as evidence of the darkness of the
> Third Imperium, because theirs are better, or the Third Imperium is
> really dark because their commercial low berths are as described even
> though better tech exists...
There's text somewhere that mentions in passing that the low berths were
originally intended for livestock (something also taken from Dumarest).
A certain loss rate in return for denser packing and no in-journey
upkeep costs is probably acceptable when transporting livestock and the
berths might also be more reliable when used on non-sapients. That
merchants can sell passage in such a system with no repercussions from
the authorities is still fairly grim, though.

--
Rupert Boleyn <xxxxxx@gmail.com>