MgT2 Low Berths
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(28 May 2020 07:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths
Timothy Collinson
(28 May 2020 08:13 UTC)
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Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths
Alex Goodwin
(28 May 2020 08:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths
shadow@xxxxxx
(08 Jun 2020 04:47 UTC)
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Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths
Greg Nokes
(28 May 2020 08:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths
Jeff Zeitlin
(28 May 2020 10:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths
Timothy Collinson
(28 May 2020 10:49 UTC)
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Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(28 May 2020 17:10 UTC)
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Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths
Alex Goodwin
(28 May 2020 17:34 UTC)
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Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(28 May 2020 17:48 UTC)
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Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths
Alex Goodwin
(28 May 2020 18:16 UTC)
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Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(29 May 2020 05:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths
Kelly St. Clair
(29 May 2020 02:40 UTC)
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Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(29 May 2020 05:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
David Johnson
(29 May 2020 14:24 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(29 May 2020 16:04 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
Phil Pugliese
(29 May 2020 21:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(29 May 2020 21:43 UTC)
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Re: [TML] People's Revolutionary Front (was: "Dark" Imperium?)
Kelly St. Clair
(29 May 2020 23:10 UTC)
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Re: [TML] People's Revolutionary Front (was: "Dark" Imperium?)
James Catchpole
(29 May 2020 23:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] People's Revolutionary Front (was: "Dark" Imperium?)
Alex Goodwin
(30 May 2020 09:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] People's Revolutionary Front (was: "Dark" Imperium?)
James Catchpole
(30 May 2020 11:16 UTC)
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Re: [TML] People's Revolutionary Front (was: "Dark" Imperium?)
Phil Pugliese
(30 May 2020 08:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
David Johnson
(30 May 2020 03:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(30 May 2020 05:35 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
David Johnson
(31 May 2020 04:13 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(31 May 2020 06:43 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
David Johnson
(01 Jun 2020 00:44 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
Phil Pugliese
(01 Jun 2020 01:11 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
Richard Aiken
(01 Jun 2020 01:34 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
Richard Aiken
(01 Jun 2020 01:36 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(01 Jun 2020 02:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
Phil Pugliese
(02 Jun 2020 04:27 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(01 Jun 2020 02:36 UTC)
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(missing)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
James Catchpole
(01 Jun 2020 08:08 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium?
Thomas Jones-Low
(01 Jun 2020 21:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium?
James Catchpole
(01 Jun 2020 22:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? Rupert Boleyn (02 Jun 2020 00:49 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium?
shadow@xxxxxx
(08 Jun 2020 22:00 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium?
James Catchpole
(08 Jun 2020 22:03 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium?
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(08 Jun 2020 23:01 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium?
James Catchpole
(08 Jun 2020 23:03 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
Timothy Collinson
(01 Jun 2020 08:16 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(01 Jun 2020 21:11 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
James Catchpole
(01 Jun 2020 22:01 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
Phil Pugliese
(02 Jun 2020 11:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
Timothy Collinson
(02 Jun 2020 13:43 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(02 Jun 2020 16:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
David Johnson
(02 Jun 2020 02:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
Phil Pugliese
(02 Jun 2020 14:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(02 Jun 2020 16:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
Richard Aiken
(02 Jun 2020 17:26 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(02 Jun 2020 19:24 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
Phil Pugliese
(02 Jun 2020 21:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
Richard Aiken
(02 Jun 2020 22:14 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
Phil Pugliese
(02 Jun 2020 21:48 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(03 Jun 2020 04:14 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
James Catchpole
(02 Jun 2020 22:01 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
Phil Pugliese
(02 Jun 2020 22:17 UTC)
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Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?)
David Johnson
(03 Jun 2020 00:36 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?)
Richard Aiken
(03 Jun 2020 01:56 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?)
Phil Pugliese
(03 Jun 2020 02:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?)
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(03 Jun 2020 04:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?)
Phil Pugliese
(03 Jun 2020 08:56 UTC)
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(missing)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble
Rupert Boleyn
(03 Jun 2020 09:24 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble
Kelly St. Clair
(03 Jun 2020 15:45 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble
Phil Pugliese
(03 Jun 2020 19:37 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(03 Jun 2020 21:38 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble
Rupert Boleyn
(03 Jun 2020 23:14 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble
Phil Pugliese
(04 Jun 2020 07:41 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble
Rupert Boleyn
(04 Jun 2020 11:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble
Phil Pugliese
(04 Jun 2020 15:04 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(04 Jun 2020 15:34 UTC)
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(missing)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble
Rupert Boleyn
(04 Jun 2020 16:05 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(04 Jun 2020 16:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble
James Catchpole
(04 Jun 2020 16:40 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(04 Jun 2020 23:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble
Phil Pugliese
(05 Jun 2020 02:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(05 Jun 2020 04:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble
James Catchpole
(05 Jun 2020 08:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble
Timothy Collinson
(05 Jun 2020 08:51 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble
Phil Pugliese
(06 Jun 2020 00:08 UTC)
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[TML] Yokel Noble
Phil Pugliese
(06 Jun 2020 00:15 UTC)
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Basic vs Extended chargen (was Re: [TML] Yokel Noble)
Jeff Zeitlin
(04 Jun 2020 19:43 UTC)
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Re: Basic vs Extended chargen (was Re: [TML] Yokel Noble)
James Catchpole
(04 Jun 2020 22:18 UTC)
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Re: Basic vs Extended chargen (was Re: [TML] Yokel Noble)
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(05 Jun 2020 01:08 UTC)
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Re: Basic vs Extended chargen (was Re: [TML] Yokel Noble)
Rupert Boleyn
(05 Jun 2020 04:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Yokel Noble (was: "Dark" Imperium?)
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(03 Jun 2020 21:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium? (was: MgT2 Low Berths)
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(03 Jun 2020 04:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium?
Rupert Boleyn
(03 Jun 2020 06:10 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium?
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(03 Jun 2020 20:40 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium?
Rupert Boleyn
(03 Jun 2020 23:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] "Dark" Imperium?
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(04 Jun 2020 00:55 UTC)
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Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths
shadow@xxxxxx
(08 Jun 2020 04:47 UTC)
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Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths
Rupert Boleyn
(08 Jun 2020 04:55 UTC)
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Re: [TML] MgT2 Low Berths
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(08 Jun 2020 05:59 UTC)
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On 02Jun2020 1017, James Catchpole - jlcatchpole at googlemail.com (via tml list) wrote: > If Gurps Space has the same safer version, did it precede Gurps > Traveller or follow it? If the former, it tells us nothing about Gurps > Traveller except that LKW simply kept the same rule. If the latter, > then he consciously made the change. > > Either way, the version in the original LBBS *does* make sense in the > context of the original source - the Dumarest series. Where it doesn't > make sense is as a routinely used tech for frozen watches on military > ships, as Tom pointed out. > > So, either you can't use low berths as evidence of the darkness of the > Third Imperium, because theirs are better, or the Third Imperium is > really dark because their commercial low berths are as described even > though better tech exists... There's text somewhere that mentions in passing that the low berths were originally intended for livestock (something also taken from Dumarest). A certain loss rate in return for denser packing and no in-journey upkeep costs is probably acceptable when transporting livestock and the berths might also be more reliable when used on non-sapients. That merchants can sell passage in such a system with no repercussions from the authorities is still fairly grim, though. -- Rupert Boleyn <xxxxxx@gmail.com>