On 29/5/20 3:48 am, xxxxxx@gmail.com wrote:
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>     IIRC, GT 2e had revival be automatic if supervised by someone with
>     Physician 10+ or Electronic Ops (Medical) 10+.  J. Random only
>     dies on a
>     critical HT failure.  GT:IW has revival be automatic if supervised by
>     Electronic Ops (Medical) 10+, with J. Random dying on a failed
>     HT+6 roll.
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> Remind me roughly what an HT+6 might look like (% wise of success) and
> what 10 skill in GT might mean in other Traveller versions.... ?
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> I owned GT stuff (liked the approaches) but never played it or GMed it.

Complete contrast to me.  Only Trav I've ever GMed (until PA:VT) has
been GT.

If I read G:Characters correctly, an IQ 10 character with 2 points in E.
Ops (Medical) is enough to ensure automatic revival.  I think that's at
or below the low end of paramedic types.  The nurse/paramedic template
in GURPS: Biotech p207 (GURPS 4) has both skills at 12 or better.

Skill-12 is generally counted as "competent" for non-hazardous skills,
14 for hazardous skills, with 16 as "expert" and, IIRC , 20+ as "master". 

With how GURPS handles failures (18 on 3d6 is always a critfail, 17 on
3d6 is always a fail, and is a critfail unless your effective skill was
17+), it actually works out the same for J. Random under both variants,
as 4 in 216, or roughly 1.9%.

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>     > The presence of the low berth for standard passages sure suggests it
>     > must be used in people movement on non-military craft. That
>     being the
>     > case, the original CT numbers and even an avg 8+ for the berth seems
>     > too high. You'd constantly be losing people. They'd demand better
>     > outcomes. (Well, the families would) Routine (6+) might be more
>     > reasonable.
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>     Or low-berth travellers are either desperate enough to hang the risk,
>     feel it's an acceptable tradeoff, etc.
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> There's desperate and desperate. We fly on planes that could kill us
> but do so veeeery rarely, but we still get on and fuss about flight
> safety. If they killed us fairly regularly (as like 1-7% of the time
> or some such), we'd be really thinking twice about ever flying and a
> lot more pressure would come to bear.
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> With an 8+ roll, you might only be able to ship death row serial
> killers on that...

Given your apparent default assumption of 3I Golden Age, rule of men,
not law applies.

Important People are those who travel high passage, preferably on
someone else's ticket.  Plebes dying in low passage doesn't Upset The
Sleep of Anyone Important.

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> Very high survival odds may not be viewed as cost effective over
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>     reasonably-high.  The threshold will change by use case - Zhodani Navy
>     low berths on Core Route ships may well be among the best available in
>     Charted Space, while emergency low berths on a Siigiizuni at the tail
>     end of the IW may ... not.
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> Even the military can't think like that. The cost of training very
> competent crew is high. And not having them at key points when you
> need them (Frozen Watch) can cost you a lot more crew and maybe a ship.
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> I agree tech level, situations, use cases all impact.
Yup.  I suspect that's why the GT variants have conditions allowing
automatic revival.
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>     Well, off top of head, you'd have to worry about autoirradiation
>     and the
>     resulting damage that's not getting repaired because J. Random is
>     switchoff.  Psykers could be a whole different boatload of lunatics.
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> Really, deep sleep is where our cells heal. I assume something here
> would be an issue over enough time. They aren't actually stasis
> chambers, just freezers. So at some distant time, the lack of normal
> bio process would start causing degradation.

Good point - I was assuming that metabolism (including all healing, cell
repair, etc) was completely halted.

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