Where the UPP fails me... kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 Apr 2020 11:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Jeff Zeitlin (28 Apr 2020 12:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Timothy Collinson (28 Apr 2020 13:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Rupert Boleyn (28 Apr 2020 13:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Jeff Zeitlin (28 Apr 2020 14:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 Apr 2020 22:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Kenneth Barns (28 Apr 2020 22:37 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Graham Donald (29 Apr 2020 01:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 Apr 2020 01:32 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Bruce Johnson (29 Apr 2020 15:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Vareck Bostrom (29 Apr 2020 22:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 Apr 2020 08:32 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Vareck Bostrom (30 Apr 2020 08:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 Apr 2020 14:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Phil Pugliese (30 Apr 2020 15:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Vareck Bostrom (30 Apr 2020 16:22 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 Apr 2020 19:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Vareck Bostrom (30 Apr 2020 21:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... kaladorn@xxxxxx (01 May 2020 17:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Phil Pugliese (30 Apr 2020 21:25 UTC)
RE: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Steve Simenic (01 May 2020 02:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Thomas RUX (30 Apr 2020 20:29 UTC)
Klemperer Rosettes Jonathan Clark (01 May 2020 17:44 UTC)
Re: [TML] Klemperer Rosettes Vareck Bostrom (01 May 2020 18:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] Klemperer Rosettes Kelly St. Clair (01 May 2020 23:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] Klemperer Rosettes Kelly St. Clair (01 May 2020 23:19 UTC)
Re: [TML] KlempererRosettes Jonathan Clark (02 May 2020 01:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] Klemperer Rosettes Jonathan Clark (02 May 2020 01:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Klemperer Rosettes Vareck Bostrom (02 May 2020 02:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Kenneth Barns (29 Apr 2020 02:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Phil Pugliese (28 Apr 2020 19:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Rupert Boleyn (28 Apr 2020 19:49 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Thomas RUX (28 Apr 2020 19:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Rupert Boleyn (28 Apr 2020 20:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Thomas RUX (29 Apr 2020 02:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Phil Pugliese (29 Apr 2020 19:55 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Thomas Jones-Low (29 Apr 2020 20:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Phil Pugliese (30 Apr 2020 15:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] "That's no moon, it's a . . ." Jonathan Clark (01 May 2020 18:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] "That's no moon, it's a . . ." Phil Pugliese (01 May 2020 20:21 UTC)

Re: [TML] Where the UPP fails me... Jeff Zeitlin 28 Apr 2020 14:31 UTC

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 14:42:45 +0100, Timothy Collinson wrote:

>I quite like the idea of "X" for artificial though.  Although I immediately
>start to wonder how you represent really *big* artificial constructs that
>might ordinarily be size "8" say.  The Magrathean planet builders come to
>mind.

If you're getting to this point, you should really revamp the whole system.
First, you'll want to account for 'super-earths' - that is, planets that
are significantly larger than Earth, but are _not_ gas giants. Second,
you'll also want to account for 'stupidly large' artificial structures,
like ringworlds or Dyson Spheres. Then, there's dealing with 'structures'
like Kempler Rosettes - six equal-mass worlds spaced at 60-degree intervals
around a central point, which central point may or may not need to be
occupied by a stellar mass (or any mass!). You'll also want to account for
any of these being NFA ('no fixed address', that is, mobile, either not
associated with a star [rogue planets] or under their own power
[worldships]).

The problem with Traveller's U*P systems are that you're trying to reduce
an entity (whatever is represented by the * - Character, World, Ship, Task,
whatever) to a single Hollerith card, and in order to do that, you're going
to _have_ to omit some information. That's when you look at the likelihood
of any particular type of exception occurring, and decide at what point you
simply code it as 'this is an exception - see the notes for explanation'.

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