[TML]Chemistry Question
Richard Aiken
(02 May 2014 04:36 UTC)
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Re: [TML]Chemistry Question Tim (02 May 2014 06:40 UTC)
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Knapp
(02 May 2014 06:44 UTC)
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Tim
(02 May 2014 07:37 UTC)
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Knapp
(02 May 2014 18:11 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(04 May 2014 06:02 UTC)
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Tim
(04 May 2014 06:57 UTC)
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Bruce Johnson
(04 May 2014 14:31 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(05 May 2014 04:24 UTC)
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shadow@xxxxxx
(05 May 2014 09:45 UTC)
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Bruce Johnson
(05 May 2014 16:48 UTC)
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Anthony Jackson
(06 May 2014 21:11 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(08 May 2014 04:05 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(08 May 2014 04:07 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(08 May 2014 04:10 UTC)
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Knapp
(08 May 2014 05:30 UTC)
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Knapp
(06 May 2014 20:53 UTC)
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Tim
(08 May 2014 06:43 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(08 May 2014 08:14 UTC)
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Tim
(08 May 2014 15:17 UTC)
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Bruce Johnson
(08 May 2014 16:01 UTC)
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shadow@xxxxxx
(09 May 2014 08:48 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(09 May 2014 09:21 UTC)
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Craig Berry
(09 May 2014 23:38 UTC)
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Bruce Johnson
(09 May 2014 14:47 UTC)
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Tim
(09 May 2014 15:51 UTC)
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Knapp
(09 May 2014 20:54 UTC)
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Bruce Johnson
(09 May 2014 21:50 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(09 May 2014 23:09 UTC)
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Tim
(10 May 2014 07:32 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(10 May 2014 17:10 UTC)
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Rob O'Connor
(10 May 2014 08:45 UTC)
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Knapp
(10 May 2014 21:13 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(10 May 2014 22:04 UTC)
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Tim
(11 May 2014 04:40 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(11 May 2014 06:22 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(11 May 2014 15:57 UTC)
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Bruce Johnson
(12 May 2014 19:04 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(12 May 2014 19:13 UTC)
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Bruce Johnson
(12 May 2014 20:52 UTC)
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Knapp
(12 May 2014 21:32 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(12 May 2014 22:21 UTC)
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youngerpliny@xxxxxx
(12 May 2014 21:41 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(11 May 2014 06:47 UTC)
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Rob O'Connor
(12 May 2014 08:48 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(12 May 2014 19:32 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(12 May 2014 20:49 UTC)
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Tim
(13 May 2014 00:22 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(14 May 2014 02:45 UTC)
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Tim
(14 May 2014 03:53 UTC)
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Tim
(14 May 2014 04:20 UTC)
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Kelly St. Clair
(14 May 2014 06:11 UTC)
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Bruce Johnson
(14 May 2014 17:37 UTC)
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Knapp
(14 May 2014 18:00 UTC)
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Bruce Johnson
(14 May 2014 18:51 UTC)
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Jeffrey Schwartz
(14 May 2014 19:09 UTC)
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Bruce Johnson
(14 May 2014 20:20 UTC)
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Knapp
(14 May 2014 20:35 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(15 May 2014 03:51 UTC)
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Knapp
(15 May 2014 05:33 UTC)
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Tim
(15 May 2014 07:44 UTC)
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Mikko Parviainen
(15 May 2014 08:39 UTC)
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Tim
(15 May 2014 11:38 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(16 May 2014 06:20 UTC)
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Anthony Jackson
(16 May 2014 16:29 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(20 May 2014 06:28 UTC)
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Knapp
(20 May 2014 17:55 UTC)
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Anthony Jackson
(20 May 2014 18:32 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(21 May 2014 08:14 UTC)
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Tim
(21 May 2014 13:05 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(23 May 2014 08:09 UTC)
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Anthony Jackson
(14 May 2014 20:44 UTC)
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RE: [TML]ChemistryQuestion
Anthony Jackson
(14 May 2014 20:52 UTC)
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On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 12:36:37AM -0400, Richard Aiken wrote: > I'm currently re-reading H. Beam Piper's "Uller Uprising" and I'm > curious: How accurate are the chemistry essays which form the book's > introduction, which describe the rationale behind silicon-based > alien life? They're very brief, so it's hard to say what might have been used as a foundation. I noticed on reading (and confirmed on re-reading just now) that the essay only talks about water being replaced in the circulatory system, without talking at all about the all-pervading role of water within the tissues. We have about 6 times as much water outside the circulatory system as within it, for example. Water within our cells is a fundamental part of our biochemistry and could not be replaced by silicones without scrapping everything from amino acids upward and starting over. In short, I'm not sure I buy a gradual transition from carbon/water to silicon/silicone life. Life having originally evolved on such a planet based on silicones would be perfectly fine. The descendants of complex organisms changing in fundamental biochemistry to the point where they have nothing in common with its ancestors seems much less likely. The other part I take issue with is the assumption that a change in solvent from water to silicones would make an organism essentially immune to temperature changes. The principle is much more fundamental: biochemistry is still chemistry, a massively complex system of reactions. Most reactions are temperature dependent for fundamental physical reasons, and variations in those reaction rates change the balance of the biochemistry. Reactions that dissipate less energy are generally more prone to vary with temperature, so there's a trade-off involved between biological efficiency and temperature sensitivity. It's certainly reasonable for one to win out over the other in an evolutionary context, but a change of solvent alone won't suffice to force the issue one way or the other. So, overall: I find the outcomes described to be quite plausible, but some of the stated reasoning behind them to be dubious. Of course, this should be taken in professional context. The writer of that piece was a professional chemist and literal rocket scientist, while I am neither. - Tim