FTL travel
David Shaw
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Catherine Berry
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
James Catchpole
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Catherine Berry
(02 Apr 2019 20:32 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Bill Rutherford
(02 Apr 2019 20:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Billye Gilbert
(02 Apr 2019 21:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Phil Pugliese
(02 Apr 2019 23:39 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Catherine Berry
(02 Apr 2019 23:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
James Catchpole
(03 Apr 2019 00:40 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Rupert Boleyn
(03 Apr 2019 11:30 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
James Catchpole
(03 Apr 2019 00:27 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Bruce Johnson
(03 Apr 2019 16:10 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Catherine Berry
(03 Apr 2019 16:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
James Catchpole
(03 Apr 2019 20:40 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Phil Pugliese
(03 Apr 2019 22:42 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Rupert Boleyn
(04 Apr 2019 03:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Phil Pugliese
(04 Apr 2019 20:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Catherine Berry
(04 Apr 2019 20:39 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Rupert Boleyn
(04 Apr 2019 21:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Phil Pugliese
(04 Apr 2019 21:56 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Rupert Boleyn
(04 Apr 2019 22:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Phil Pugliese
(04 Apr 2019 23:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Kurt Feltenberger
(04 Apr 2019 22:36 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Phil Pugliese
(04 Apr 2019 23:40 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Richard Aiken
(05 Apr 2019 00:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Cian Witherspoon
(05 Apr 2019 01:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Kurt Feltenberger
(05 Apr 2019 01:10 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Phil Pugliese
(05 Apr 2019 20:37 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Catherine Berry
(05 Apr 2019 21:00 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Phil Pugliese
(05 Apr 2019 21:36 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Kurt Feltenberger
(05 Apr 2019 23:02 UTC)
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(missing)
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[TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Kenneth Barns
(06 Apr 2019 02:01 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Phil Pugliese
(06 Apr 2019 20:38 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Kenneth Barns
(06 Apr 2019 22:40 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Rupert Boleyn
(07 Apr 2019 01:20 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Kenneth Barns
(07 Apr 2019 02:34 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Rupert Boleyn
(07 Apr 2019 03:08 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Kenneth Barns
(07 Apr 2019 04:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Rupert Boleyn
(07 Apr 2019 04:46 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Kenneth Barns
(07 Apr 2019 05:44 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Rupert Boleyn
(07 Apr 2019 06:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Phil Pugliese
(07 Apr 2019 22:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Phil Pugliese
(07 Apr 2019 22:05 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Rupert Boleyn
(07 Apr 2019 02:27 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Kenneth Barns
(07 Apr 2019 02:46 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Rupert Boleyn
(07 Apr 2019 03:10 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Phil Pugliese
(07 Apr 2019 22:22 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Kenneth Barns
(08 Apr 2019 00:22 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Phil Pugliese
(08 Apr 2019 04:08 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Rupert Boleyn
(08 Apr 2019 06:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Phil Pugliese
(08 Apr 2019 19:32 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Catherine Berry
(08 Apr 2019 19:56 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Kelly St. Clair
(09 Apr 2019 02:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Catherine Berry
(09 Apr 2019 16:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Phil Pugliese
(09 Apr 2019 19:49 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Phil Pugliese
(09 Apr 2019 20:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Catherine Berry
(09 Apr 2019 20:44 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Phil Pugliese
(09 Apr 2019 20:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Kenneth Barns
(09 Apr 2019 21:38 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Rupert Boleyn
(10 Apr 2019 06:41 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Phil Pugliese
(10 Apr 2019 15:30 UTC)
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[TML] Realistic Solomani Confederation?
Kenneth Barns
(14 Apr 2019 13:09 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Phil Pugliese
(10 Apr 2019 15:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Kenneth Barns
(09 Apr 2019 21:26 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Catherine Berry
(09 Apr 2019 21:37 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Realistic Rebellion?
Phil Pugliese
(10 Apr 2019 15:09 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Richard Aiken
(13 Apr 2019 05:23 UTC)
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(missing)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Phil Pugliese
(14 Apr 2019 02:26 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Rupert Boleyn
(14 Apr 2019 02:45 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Phil Pugliese
(14 Apr 2019 21:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Nicole Susans
(14 Apr 2019 03:32 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Kenneth Barns
(14 Apr 2019 05:03 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Non Virus ending to the rebellion (was: Transponder question)
Nicole Susans
(14 Apr 2019 05:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Non Virus ending to the rebellion (was: Transponder question)
Kenneth Barns
(14 Apr 2019 07:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Non Virus ending to the rebellion (was: Transponder question)
Nicole Susans
(14 Apr 2019 10:13 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Phil Pugliese
(14 Apr 2019 22:08 UTC)
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(missing)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Richard Aiken
(14 Apr 2019 02:37 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Nicole Susans
(15 Apr 2019 02:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Phil Pugliese
(15 Apr 2019 18:51 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Catherine Berry
(15 Apr 2019 20:00 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Phil Pugliese
(17 Apr 2019 02:11 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Catherine Berry
(17 Apr 2019 16:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Phil Pugliese
(17 Apr 2019 20:48 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Richard Aiken
(20 Apr 2019 01:55 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Phil Pugliese
(21 Apr 2019 20:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Nicole Susans
(15 Apr 2019 22:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Phil Pugliese
(16 Apr 2019 22:24 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Bruce Johnson
(15 Apr 2019 22:34 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Phil Pugliese
(16 Apr 2019 22:35 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Kurt Feltenberger
(17 Apr 2019 00:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Graham Donald
(13 Apr 2019 08:04 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Phil Pugliese
(13 Apr 2019 13:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Nicole Susans
(14 Apr 2019 01:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
Phil Pugliese
(03 Apr 2019 22:30 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question Christopher Sean Hilton (04 Apr 2019 19:11 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Transponder question
shadow@xxxxxx
(05 Apr 2019 06:34 UTC)
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Re: [TML] FTL travel
Catherine Berry
(28 Mar 2019 17:37 UTC)
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Re: [TML] FTL travel
David Shaw
(29 Mar 2019 17:20 UTC)
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Re: [TML] FTL travel
Tim
(28 Mar 2019 22:26 UTC)
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Re: [TML] FTL travel
Richard Aiken
(29 Mar 2019 05:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] FTL travel
Tim
(29 Mar 2019 06:34 UTC)
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Re: [TML] FTL travel
Richard Aiken
(30 Mar 2019 06:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] FTL travel
Kurt Feltenberger
(28 Mar 2019 22:30 UTC)
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Re: [TML] FTL travel
Catherine Berry
(28 Mar 2019 22:38 UTC)
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Re: [TML] FTL travel
shadow@xxxxxx
(30 Mar 2019 04:26 UTC)
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[TML] Transponder question
Bill Rutherford
(02 Apr 2019 13:14 UTC)
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On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 01:27:44AM +0100, James Catchpole (via tml list) wrote: > I see the transponder issue as being one of not guaranteeing security but making it *difficult* for wrongdoers > - within the Imperium at least. > > I was thinking that the transponder would be the key element, set up and sealed by the starport authority with > a variety of anti-tamper mechanisms whose job is not to stop unauthorised access to the box, but to render it > unusable if you do (including destroying the storage that contains the keys). That makes it *difficult* for > anyone to get hold of any private keys - but not impossible (the corsair, for instance, is described as having > a transponder that can be switched between several IDs). > > As Catherine said, the authorities are going to maintain a separate database of public keys for verification. > I see that as being for double checking rather than an intrinsic part of the system, though. After all, if you > have the valid key pair for more than one ship of the same class then you can pretend to be any of them and no > external database is going to spot that. I do like the idea of the handshake computation problems though, to > try and establish that the unit broadcasting the signal is a real transponder (or at least a very, very good > fake). > > Depending on where you are and who is checking on you, the response from the authorities is likely to vary > from a casual once-over, through boarding your ship, to shooting on sight for any infraction. > > Of course, being caught using different transponder codes is going to get you treated as a suspected pirate at > best... > > * Transponder technology from the 2019 view From the perspective of modern crypto this view, that ship's transponders are *difficult* to hack but not _impossible_ to hack, is essentially correct. But the problem isn't protecting the private keys, that problem is largely solved today. If we assume the private key / public key mechanism as the basis for the transponder identification system, then the technology already exists cheaply on Earth to create the system and store the keys in a fashion leaves them hardened against theft: (Yubikey 5 NFC)[https://www.amazon.com/Yubico-YubiKey-USB-Authentication-Security/dp/B07HBD71HL/] The linked device will store a set of RSA keys and has the code to use those keys to sign or encrypt a data stream. The keys are pin protected. Enter the wrong pin three times and the device will erase the keys. In Traveller such private keys would be part of an identification device that enumerated who you were. The equivalent in 2019 is a "certificate". A certificate is just a bundle of information describing the bearer and a public key. You are who the certificate says you are if you can decrypt a message encrypted with the certificate's public key. Certificates are typically signed by other certificate creating a chain. Signing certificates are distributed such that the chain can be traced. If you can verify the decryption and trace the chain to something that you trust then you can trust bearer of the presented cert. In Traveller there would be at least two types of identification device. An individual ID for people and Transponders for space going vessels. The trusted certs would come from core, through the sector capital and then the subsector capital. They might go all the way down to every class A and B star port. * Transponder implications in Traveller A good transponder would be a passkey of sorts. It verifies to people that you don't know that you are probably who you claim to be. Starports could charge an increased docking fee for ships that don't have a valid transponder. If the fee was Cr500 and buying a valid transponder took 2 weeks and cost Cr250 then nearly every ship would get a valid transponder at the time of it's annual overhaul. A bad transponder wouldn't immediatly say that you are Pirate but in deals with anyone who checked, it would be a warning sign that could potentially increase costs. There are degrees here too. A transponder that expired 5 days ago is technically bad but that kind of thing will happen a lot. Another common mode for bad transponders would be slight infractions. Here in Connecticut in the U.S. we are pondering automated tolls to pay for road repairs. The basis of the system EZ*Pass but as a backup, the the system takes a picture of your license plate. Massachusetts is complaining that a large number of Connecticut drivers without EZ*Pass transponders are avoiding tolls but they cannot convince the CT Department of Motor Vehicles to do enforcement (by disallowing infractors from renewing the registration on their cars). Certainly any legislation that brings transponder type tolls to CT highways will also have the CT DMV revoking the registration of a large list of vehicles that owe tolls in Massachusetts. In the Traveller universe, expect that a transponder that has a small fine attached would attract the attention of bribe hungry petty officials at class C starports. * Cracks in the system The weakness in the system are as with any PKI. The person signing the keys could be compromised. While the hardware might be _tamperproof_, the unlock codes would always be subject to "Rubber hose decryption" e.g. beat the person who knows owns the device with a rubber hose until he tells you the pin. In the context of Traveller, a big issue would be publishing the certificate revocation list or CRL. One has to assume that a miscreant transponder will be listed and that list will be published and distributed on the X-Boat network. The owner of ship could run for quite a while before local authorities could catch up to him. I think that this aspect is an actual design goal of the game. There would be a black market for "Good Transponders" because in security the rule is the integral of physical access crossed with time will eventually trump any security measure. Pirates would certainly have *a set* of good transponders on their ship. Depending on the cost pirates engaged in piracy will either run with a "Good Transponder" or run with the their transponder turned off lest their prey get off a signal which invalidates the device. This would likely depend on the prize. -- Chris __o "All I was trying to do was get home from work." _`\<,_ -Rosa Parks ___(*)/_(*)_____________________________________________________________ Christopher Sean Hilton [chris/at/vindaloo/dot/com]