Berlin's statement, to me, is impossible outside of a highly restrictive setting. Actually creating a culture that fast requires a complete cultural disconnect from any previous cultures.
That's not to say that a high-inertia memetic campaign couldn't cause drastic changes in a culture - just that it would work slowly unless a large scale societal upset (like cheap internet) happens.
Its also not guaranteed to function as well as proponents might think - for an example, the US and Canadian attempts to wipe out indigenous culture. While much was lost, reconstruction and preservation was fairly effective.

The general timeline given by Mav also fits my initial terminology of a generation: my generation is at the forefront of radical divergence from the baseline of our parents, which was (mostly) minimally deviant from the baseline of our grandparents (especially those of us who had grandparents that grew up in the great depression). And what do we see pushing this radical divergence? A high-inertia memetic campaign, pushed grassroots style, spread easily via the internet (which was a high-impact development).



On February 4, 2018, at 4:30 PM, Kurt Feltenberger <xxxxxx@thepaw.org> wrote:


On 2/4/2018 6:39 AM, Gamer Mav wrote:

I was watching a doco on American education and this quote came up:

"A society could be completely made over in something like 15 years, the time it takes to inculcate a new culture into a rising group of youngsters." - The Proper Study Of Mankind by Isaiah Berlin (1943)

Do you think this is possible and I wonder how often the direction of cultures in the 3I was changed using this method?

Is anything mentioned in any Traveller publications about a Department of Imperial Culture or similar?

Brett.


I think fifteen years might be a bit fast.  If you look at what is taught in schools and the way it is often framed and presented, as well as what is promoted, and compare that to 1950, you'll find some pretty drastic differences.  I'm only 50, and the changes since I was in high school to today is almost like night and day.

Consider:
The language used by some of the big name comedians - Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, Sam Kinison, Andrew Dice Clay, and others of the 1980s and that they would be destroyed in social media for what they said - today.

Sexual attitudes - not just straight vs. everything else, but interracial relationships- back in the 80s, anything not straight was generally ridiculed and interracial relationships were seriously frowned upon (and in a small town not too far from me, caused a riot less than 20 years ago that required the State Police to be deployed).

Attitudes on winning vs. losing.  Now everyone has to be a winner, back then, it was taught that losing was part of life and that to win you had to work harder than the other guy.

And so on.
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