See Deathworld by Harry Harrison on depiction of a high-g society.
If IN includes Wikipedia-like resource I its ships, then this would be a good explanation of why 2I failed :-)
Cheers
Greg
So to lose the ship let's just say it miss-jumps two time and both time 36 in about the same direction. The search for this ship could go on for a really long time being such a huge asset but it might even be declared lost after they search the first 72 parsecs diameter space area and find nothing.To get rid of the crew you could say that all the problem started with a disease that took out most of the crew or even an Alien type infection. :-)I think this ship could land on a world without to much damage. Sure it is not designed to but it does have 6g thrusters and an armored shell. Even a bad crash might not hurt it that badly but if grav tech failed you might have mashed crew and an AI landing. Imagine 6g grav tech switching from full plus to full minus a few times in quick succession! To sure what percentage would be killed but it might be a lot.Just had a funny vission. Imagine the ship crashed and upright but the gravity is stuck in -1g or worse -2g! The natives walk on the ceiling and become very strong and the greatest warrior around due to the constant 2g living. Or if you want to get medical make it only 1.2 or whatever the max is the humans can live with. The city of the strong upsidedown people. :-)Clearly the ship would have basic training for the crew. It would likely have something like wikipedia also. And a last point. I might be able to build, repair or even understand my high tech smart phone but my 3 year old can use it. . .On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Greg Chalik <mrg3105@gmail.com> wrote:Tom, that's a good enough guess for me.
But, why 2Ps?
Greg
On 12/02/2016 8:53 PM, <tmr0195@comcast.net> wrote:Hello Greg,I've looked in my CT material and may have missed details for communicators or sensors that can track warships over the territory that the Third Imperium covers.MT Referee's Manual Passive EMS Array has a range of 2 Parsecs from TL 10 to TL 18 and the longest range for communicators is 1,000 AU. TNE FF&S and T4 FF&S are similar to the specifications in MT.Based on the MT information a PEMS Array are able to track contacts up 2 parsecs away, but.IIRC when a miss jump occurs the procedure is to roll on six sided die to determine how many dice to roll for the number of parsecs the ship goes. The miss jump distance could be from 1 to 36 parsecs. A single die is rolled to determine the direction of the miss jump.In CT my answer, until I can find something, is no the IN cannot track naval assets even at TL 15.MT/TNE/T4 I am not sure since I'm not very good with the detection rules. However making a guess there is a chance that if the asset is within 2 parsecs of a PEMS array it can be tracked while in normal space.Once the ship enters jump space there is no way to track the ship.The best tracking method I can think of is when the asset departed from one scheduled port and arrived at the next scheduled port and at each port a courier ship would be dispatched to the nearest major naval base saying the asset departed or arrived in a specified port. A miss jump or other unscheduled lay over may be missed.That is my best guess at this time.Tom R
From: "Greg Chalik" <mrg3105@gmail.com>
To: "TML" <xxxxxx@simplelists.com>
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 12:04:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TML] Instant city
Tom,
Are you saying that even at TL15 the IN has no way to track its warships?
Cheers
Greg
On 12/02/2016 6:57 PM, <tmr0195@comcast.net> wrote:
Hello again Greg Chalik,The Tigress-Class Dreadnaught as mentioned has a crew of 19,512 and is on long deployments with a Model/9 fib computer. I image that there are courses that would allow post graduate work in any field to be accomplished by any crew member who is interested.There is going to be a long delay before someone notices that the Tigress-Class dreadnaught has gone missing because of the 168 +/- 16 hours, if a miss jump has not occurred, required to complete a jump which causes a communications delay.If the next port of call knows when the Tigress-Class Dreadnaught is due to arrive and the ship does not show up the port sends a message to the previous port which takes another 168 +/- 16 hours. The last port the Tigress-Class visited sends back a reply saying the ship left approximately 336 hours earlier, which when the message gets back to the destination system the time has now elapsed to approximately 504 hours. If the ship's next port of call was going to be a surprise visit no one their would report the Tigress-Class Dreadnaught not arriving.Depending on how many ports the ship was to visit before reporting to an IN base could be months before anyone notices.Jump Drives occasionally, even though they've been around for a while, still miss jump and if the ship is lucky returns to normal space in a system they can refuel, figure out where they are, and the jump drive still works.Where will the IN search for their missing dreadnaught after a couple of months, especially if the ship miss jumped?The outline that started this topic thread gave only the information that a Tigress-Class Dreadnaught managed to land on a populated world and the native began using the hull as a city. The Referee/scenario designer can fill in the blanks about how much damage was caused by the landing. Basically I cannot give a good response since I don't have enough information to say what is plausible in the TU as opposed to the real world.Yep, I'm copping out and you do have valid points.Tom R
From: "Greg Chalik" <mrg3105@gmail.com>
To: "TML" <xxxxxx@simplelists.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:22:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TML] Instant city
Tom,
That naval crew members do all sorts of things during cruises is no news, but...I'm not just talking about learning a new languageThis is learning how to decipher a new language.Such a course today is a postgraduate undertaking, i.e. limited to officers only, which cuts the number of people likely to take such a course somewhat drastically to the 4,433 (see below).Then there is the actual need.I can understand someone on a scout or research vessel doing something like this, but a dreadnaught-class?
Thats not to say there can't be PCs in the crew with prior expereince and service that exposed them to just this knowledge.
Even a 'soft' landing (IMHO Tigress is not equipped with surface landing gear!) would do considerable damage to the vessel's structure by the nature of it's semi-spherical design.
Regarding the vesel becoming a city on crash-landing, it does have a Crew: 19,512 : ( Engineering 10,000, Maint 790, Command 4,433 , Electrical 28, Flight 400, Stewards 612, Maneuver 4, Hi Psg 50, Low Bth 1,000, Gunnery 1,798, Troops 200, Medical 200)
If it crashes on a world where the nearest 'capital' is a pop. of a couple of thousand, and even if it suffers 33% killed in the process, it still produces an instant megapolis of 13,000 persons! The collective numbers of engineering and gunnery personnel now surplus to requirements, led by the 200 organic military, will likely furnish the surviving senior officer with a ready-made largest military force on the world.
It seems the scenario after that is something the colonisation of Africa by the Europeans.
However, it also seems to me that:a. The Imperium Navy will notice a Tigress-class vessel go off the network.b. Any number of the functioning fighters and cutters can be rigged to launch on routes to Imerium bases using onboard automated flight controls, broadcasting SOS-equivalent as they go. Eventually someone somewhere will detect and collect one of these, and identify its system-of-origin. A rescue mission will not be far off. Certainly it will arrive long before the natives have achieved any sort of enlightnment from having a massive spaceship drop in on them.Cheers
Greg C
On 12 February 2016 at 09:12, <tmr0195@comcast.net> wrote:
Howdy Greg Chalik,IIRC most if not all the Traveller rule sets have either translator computer programs or a purpose built translator electronic equipment. My time in the service I knew guys who took all sorts of course some of which where languages.In theory the Third Imperium has had more than enough time to have warships find a world that did not speak Anglic and be equipped for the possibility.The Traveller rule sets on the topic of language is open to interpretation and in my opinion anything is possible if the players agree.Tom R
From: "Greg Chalik" <mrg3105@gmail.com>
To: "TML" <xxxxxx@simplelists.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 1:44:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TML] Instant city
How many of the crew would select a course in extraImperium linguistics? It seems to me this line of thinking is what created C3PO.
Greg
On 12/02/2016 8:20 AM, "Bruce Johnson" <xxxxxx@pharmacy.arizona.edu> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Greg Chalik <mrg3105@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A warship AI may have the functionality to decipher languages, but would it have a function to teach?
Absolutely. 90% of non-combat time on a ship is maintenance and drills; and drills would necessarily cover all of the functions of a ship people have to learn it somehow, and simulations would be very important for this.
Also, time in jump would likely be spent on a host of learning activities for the crew: training for different positions, advancement, promotions, OCS,etc etc.
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Bruce Johnson
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