That makes sense. If you wish to lose someone putting them in a low berth out of the way would fit the bill. Presumably you would want them alive for some reason, as opposed to just “disappeared”.
Orbit is probably still not the place for it though. A bunch of low berths next to or incorporated into an existing prison perhaps? Or a separate more secret facility on the same prison planet? Or a non-descriptive office building in the middle of the capital if we’re only talking about a few people.
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For regular criminals, that analysis sounds about right. Where you put the balance between the various components, especially the rehabilitation part, might vary but the basic assessment looks OK. As such, putting criminals in low berths seems counter productive.
TC mentioned the Count of Monte Cristo, though, and it that case we're not talking about criminals but people that someone powerful wants lost/buried. In that case, low berths fit the bill perfectly. Minimal number of people needed to make it work, no chance of the prisoners talking to anyone, no regular supply deliveries to follow. In short, a near perfect oubliette...
On Sun, 8 Nov 2020 18:19 , <xxxxxx@quibell.org.uk> wrote:
> Ooh, am just reading The Count of Monte Cristo.... how about a string of these as orbital prison?!
I’ve had a small think about this because one of the scenarios in MTU is our Heroes transporting a dissident to a prison.
Ok so as far as I can tell (and I don’t know much about prisons) is that you want four things out of them. You want protection (of others against criminals), deterrent (stop people doing the crime in the first place), punishment (retribution of breaking societal rules), and re-habitation (break the cycle of crime/re-offending).
So putting people into lowberths as orbital prisons, does the first two but not the last two (although depending on the length of the sentence it might do the third (if all their loved ones/people they cared about were dead on their revival)).
Putting people into orbit _not_ in low berths allows for all 4, but costs an absolute fortune to build (not only the ship itself but also the life support; Cr 1,000 per prisoner and guard per week).
So my thinking was that you want a marginal planet where you could put prisoners, where they can’t survive without being in the prison, but where you can reduce the cost of keeping them, and put them to work doing something worthwhile (to pay for their keep/earn some money/show them the value of work/provide them with skills/training/education for a life outside crime).
And you want that planet inside the 100 diameter limit of the primary (so you can’t just jump in and break prisoners out), and then you continually monitor any craft coming towards it.
Don’t allow anyone else to live there, and if there are then major issues you just turn off power/life support.
Other’s thought’s on this would be interesting.
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2020, 13:28 , <xxxxxx@quibell.org.uk> wrote:
Hi Timothy,
Found the Solar Panels in MgT2, thanks.
I thought about food in the lifeboat as well, but then you don’t really need it because you’ll be in the Emergency Lowberths. Having said that you may need some so that you can eat while you work out the best survival strategy for all those in the lifeboat.
Yes, that's what I was thinking. The days before you hibernate.
Or, i suppose, just conceivably leaving one person awake for longer 'on watch' or something. Although not for 150 years obviously.
Ooh, am just reading The Count of Monte Cristo.... how about a string of these as orbital prison?!
As for:
“- convention game - will take your email as permission” … 😊
“- publishing something via Freelance Traveller” … always
“- publishing something via March Harrier Publishing” … hay, no worries, send me a pdf
“- publishing something via Mongoose (optimist that I am!)” … again, no worries, send me a pdf (if Mongoose will do that) if not buy me a beer (not that you’ll get paid enough for that so don’t worry about it)
Hah! Well, if you make it to TravCon consider the latter done regardless.
If it turns out in a similar manner to the Nike Swoosh, don’t forget where it came from and throw me a surprise party in your country pad at some point in the future …
Certainly.
Though trying to imagine Traveller sales buying me a country pad is possibly beyond even my imagination...!
I'm also reminded, for those interested in lifeboats, of The Reprieve Class for MGT1 which may still be around.
Cheers
tc
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