On Sun, Oct 18, 2020, 11:38 Phil Pugliese - philpugliese at yahoo.com (via tml list), <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> wrote:
On Sunday, October 18, 2020, 07:28:18 AM MST, David Johnson <xxxxxx@zarthani.net> wrote:


Tom Barclay <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:

ObTrav: Marc long ago recognized increasing population was inversely correlated to democratic and limited legal/police presence as scarcity led to authoritarian rule (world gen, CT).

I think baking a subjective view into the game rules and background is a bit different from "recognizing" some "natural truth." There are plenty of examples of places around the world today--and historically in just the last several decades--where this obviously isn't the case.

Never mentioned any concept of 'natural truth' and a correlation is a statistical measure with some variance. I am fairly sure the freer societies do not correlate with the highest populations if one looks across the entirety of our modern world.

Singapore is not terrible compared to some other polities, yet at the beginning of this pandemic, there was a lot of focus in Singapore here and many articles focused on how Singapore responded. There were a fair few authoritarian seeming aspects. They worked well for public health but they were not in line with what I would see as democratic or free. Not saying they are not more democratic than others of that population density, but they too show some authoritarian aspects and the monitoring matches to a high law level.

Now, we are a gov't type 4, but Canada also has times (just and otherwise) where our government behaves in anti-democratic ways. 

TomB



Cheers,

David
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"You had a wonderful civilization here. . . .  You could have made almost anything of it.  But it's too late now.  You've torn down the gates; the barbarians are in." - Lucas Trask (H. Beam Piper), ~Space Viking~



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Singapore comes to mind as a very densely populated state where democracy still flourishes but, as always, YMMV,

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