> Harold: CoE wasn't what I would have preferred as a direction, but I enjoyed reading it and it was thought provoking.   

It was always meant to be thought provoking.  It challenged the assumption that the "religious types" were always the bad guys.  Religion being such a central part of Terran history (not to mention having an underground psionic institute), it was the prefect location for a different sort of religious type and a different sort of religion.  But the Terrans weren't supposed to be liked by everyone necessarily.  That was part of the rationale for having the Dingir League be a thing (I just wished I had fleshed them on paper more than I did, in the vision in my head they were much more detailed--perhaps I'll fix).  An enemy that fancied itself to be an Imperial remnant that wasn't overpowering but at the same wasn't something the Terrans could simply walk over either.  The CoE setting as a whole was my attempt to create that same sort of Cold War feel that the old Solomani Rim had, even if the stakes were smaller scale (and more accessible to player characters), and of course with the added specter of the Vampire Highway always hanging around.  

On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 12:52 PM <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas Jones-Low has reached out to Bryan. He might take a bit to respond. I think some of the archives he was unclear about even when CD was issued. 

To me, if he was the last candle holder for the CD and HIWG, he should I think be able to distribute it but we'll see.

I wonder if someone ought to talk to QLI and SJG and see if it is possible to create distributable archives for CoTI and any SJG GT archives.

Otherwise, Thomas Jones-Low's CD may be better and if we find broken files, maybe his disk will have them intact.

Harold: CoE wasn't what I would have preferred as a direction, but I enjoyed reading it and it was thought provoking.  Thanks for all of your work and hope to see more.

I really wish I had had the opportunity to meet many of the noted contributors. I always felt a game with a crew like them would have been a kind of magic because of all the creativity and knowledge all of you demonstrated.

The fact the game still interests folk 43 years after publication is pretty amazing.

On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 11:31 Harold Hale, <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
Ahh yes, HIWG.  A lot of good discussions took place between the members (present company included) back in the day.  A significant amount of that occurred through GEnie (a competitor to AOL) and later through the HIWG mailing list.  I joined the group not long after the Traveller Writers' conference  that took place in 1992.  By then Clay Bush was more or less in charge ("chairsophont"), though Mike Mikesh, Ed Edwards, and a number of other freelance Traveller writers were regular contributors.

Aside from the work that HIWG did for MegaTraveller prior to my arrival, they were also at the forefront providing feedback to Dave Nilsen on GDW's next big Traveller project, that of course being Traveller" The New Era.  If you liked HubWorlds, that was us.  Many of us also got contributors and acknowledgement credits in the TNE sourcebook.  Once TNE was launched, individual members continued to contribute to various TNE sourcebooks and carried on discussions regarding it on the HIWG mailing list.  It's where I started sharing some of the ideas I had for Children of Earth for example.  There was also a fair amount of bickering back and forth at times between myself and another member about the pre-generated stellar data that Traveller had created and how it was "wrong" (all those silly binary systems where the companion star ended up being a dim white dwarf...a product of the way Scouts generated stars, not a reflection of stellar reality).  I put a lot of research into my contributions to those threads.  It did result in GDW making some changes so that those dim white dwarf stars didn't appear so often, but GDW didn't take the radical step of regenerating everything or doing more tweaks (though I and some of the other HIWG contributors did in our Traveller work subsequently, the Solomani Rim stellar data for Children of Earth for example).

HIWG didn't so much blow up as peter out.  There is no official date that HIWG "died".  By the time of T4's publication most the members had moved on to other things, some Traveller related, some not.  There were former HIWG members that work on T4, I wasn't one of them though (another story for another day).  HIWG had a good approximately 10 year run.  I'm proud of my contributions and the contributions that others made.  It's worth preserving in some manner.

BTW, The Great Crash of 1999 took out a lot of the stuff I saved from the HIWG mailing list, and since I've been toying with writing for Traveller again the past couple of years (actually wrote a few pieces none of you have probably seen), I'd be highly interested in obtaining a copy of the archives.

On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 7:50 AM Brett Kruger <xxxxxx@kruger.id.au> wrote:

Tom,

 

Has Bryan indicated if the CD files are publicly sharable? Or should I wait to hear from him?

 

Brett.

 

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Bryan indicated he would very much like to have a copy of the CD files. Perhaps it is possible to connect one of you who has one with him? He's in San Diego.

My contact with him is online, but if anyone is willing to help him out, let me know and I'll send him your email address to get in touch with you.

 

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 12:02 AM <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:

I have located Bryan Borich via LinkedIn.

 

He went through some tough times a while back. He may still have the drives somewhere, but he may not or may not be able to recover them.

 

I have pointed out that I have knowledge of a couple of folks on here who have the CD and I've asked him if he'd like to have someone here make that content available to him. I've also asked about the rights to distribute the material still.

I'll let you know what I find out.

Tom B

 

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