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Date:         Tue, 17 May 1994 08:24:39 EDT
From:         "Enrique E. Gildemeister" <EEGLC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Changed into B then changed back to A

To: Ian Fairclough

The way you handle situations where a title changes and then changes back
is discussed in LCRI 25.5B. What you do is:

1) Ignore the MARC format indicator 8; that was used under earlier rules
   when we didn't use uniform titles as "unique serial identifiers".

2) For the new serial,i.e. the one with the same title as the first one,
   create a uniform title using some sort of qualifier. If they are
   published in different places, I would use place qualifier to distinguish
   them. For the purposes of MARC under AACR2r LCRI 25.5B you never have
   the situation of "changed back to". If published in the same place and
   have a genuine issuing body, use corporate body qualifier. The most
   common way, though is simply to use (place : date) or (corp. body : date)
   depending on your situation.

3) This uniform title for the third serial is its citation title. Use it
   (with no $c) in the 785 00 of the second serial. And, of course, use it
   in the 130 of the third serial.

4) It's in the CONSER cataloging manual somewhere, I'm sure, because I've seen
   it, but we don't own the manual yet. Look at p. 29-31 in CSB 64 or p.11-13
   of CSB 59; in both, see if your situation is covered by the first situation
   described in "5) Other qualifiers".

I hope this works for you. Feel free to ask me any questions.

Rick Gildemeister
Documents/Serials Cataloger/OCLC Enhance Coordinator
Lehman College of the City University of New York
eeglc@cunyvm.cuny.edu

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Date:         Tue, 17 May 1994 08:41:20 +0200
From:         Marleen Verellen <Marleen.Verellen@BIB.KULEUVEN.AC.BE>
Subject:      Re: Changed into B then changed back to A

Last year we compiled a serials cataloging manual intended to use with
the DOBIS/LIBIS system.  We came up with the following.

A ====> B ====> A   That's the situation.

Notes in record A: two possibilities
1. In XXXX continued as and since YYYY continuation of: B
2. From XXXX until YYYY title: B

Notes in record B
In XXXX continuation of and since YYYY continued as: A

XXXX and YYYY being the year in which the changes occured.

It's not elegant I admit, but it tells it all.

Erik Arfeuille                (Using my boss' e-mail address, but she doesn't)
Central Library               (mind as long as my coffee breaks don't become)
Catholic University of Leuven (like a serial -- that goes on and on and on)
Mgr. Ladeuzeplein 21
3000 LEUVEN Belgium
+32 16 28 46 13
+32 16 28 46 16 (Fax)
marleen.verellen@bib.kuleuven.ac.be (e-mail)

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Date:         Tue, 17 May 1994 02:40:09 -0600
From:         "T.F. Mills" <tomills@DIANA.CAIR.DU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Changed into B then changed back to A

Ian Fairclough asks:

< Provision is made in the MARC format for recording when a serial has
< changed from a previous title (A) into the title described in the record (B)
< and then changed back into the previous one again.
< The preceding and succeeding serial is identified by tag 785,
< second indicator 8.  In the record for title B, then -- no problem!
<
< No provision is made for the reciprocal situation: the other bibliographic
< record (title A) which changed into title B and then back into title A.
< What fields does one put in the record for title A?  "Succeeded by B"
< and "Preceded by B"?

Unless I terribly misunderstand your question, you are describing
*three* separate bibliographic entities (A,B,C) and not two (A,B):
For example, "The News" (A) changes to "The Daily News" (B), and then
reverts back to "The News" (C).  While A and C look exactly alike with
regard to title, it confuses matters to say that B has reverted back
to A.  Much of the rest of the description for C will be different
from A, including the 260, 300, and 362 fields.  Record C is given a
uniform title with parenthetical qualifier (including first date of
publication of the new manifestation) to distinguish it from record A.
To try to describe A and C in a single record would be too confusing
and cumbersome.

To paraphrase (or is it parody?) Winston Churchill, successive entry
may not be the best form of serial description, but nobody has come up
with anything better.

T. F. Mills                                   tomills@diana.cair.du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA