I have read this chain with interest --  but only started to worry when I
read comment that the "subscription" at the institution had to be in print.
We switched  to electronic only with these titles a while back and have
heard nothing from the faculty.  I am assuming our faculty are content with
the electronic access.  Has anyone else run into the problem mentioned below?

Diane

At 02:35 PM 4/19/2005, you wrote:
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Burke, Jane
>Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:01 PM
>To: 'SERIALST: Serials in Libraries Discussion Forum'
>Subject: RE: [SERIALST] Elsevier 'associated' subscriptions
>
>
>You have hit on a bone of contention for my company.  We have moved away
>from a traditional print library to a Digital Library.  When we first
>began our reduction to the print four years ago, I received a phone call
>from a scientist here who said that Elsevier wanted to charge him the
>institutional rate to subscribe to a Tetrahedron package title (and you can
>imagine how much that would be at an institutional rate!)  It was, as you
>say, because the library here had canceled it in print.  (But we did have
>other libraries in our system that retained it in print.  That didn't seem
>to matter.) Despite discussions with Elsevier we have never been able to get
>them to agree to discontinue this practice or take into account the $$ we
>have spent on the online.  So, this have been going on at least for a few
>years with no resolution.
>
>~~~~~~
>Jane D. Burke
>Senior Advisor
>Groton Laboratories
>Pfizer Inc
>PGRD Library
>MS 8118-05
>Eastern Point Road
>Groton  CT  06340
>
>  (860) 441-0683  (voice)
>  (860) 441-8519  (fax)
>Jane.Burke@pfizer.com
>
>  "And now here is my secret, a very simple secret:
>  It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential
>is
>invisible to the eye."
>
>Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>The Little Prince
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: SERIALST: Serials in Libraries Discussion Forum
>[mailto:SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU]On Behalf Of Blake, Julie C.
>Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:29 PM
>To: SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU
>Subject: Re: [SERIALST] Elsevier 'associated' subscriptions
>
>
>Jennifer,
>
>         Well, I haven't heard of this at all, because I'm not even sure
>what you're saying. By "restricting" do you mean that Elsevier will not
>allow individual faculty to subscribe if the organizational library
>doesn't? That seems like a real way to lose even more customers! Except
>for research institutions, most of us can't afford to support individual
>faculty research, so I can think of lots of instances in which an
>individual would want a subscription that the library doesn't have. Or
>are they simply refusing to allow the issues to be donated to a library?
>That I can more easily understand.
>
>Julie
>
>Julie C. Blake
>Collection Management Coordinator and Asst. Professor
>LR&TS, St. Cloud State University
>320-308-4756
>jcblake@stcloudstate.edu
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SERIALST: Serials in Libraries Discussion Forum
> > [mailto:SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU] On Behalf Of van Sickle, Jennifer
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:18 AM
> > To: SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU
> > Subject: [SERIALST] Elsevier 'associated' subscriptions
> >
> > Dear Serialst-ers,
> >
> >
> >
> > Perhaps I missed this, but I was unaware of Elsevier's policy
> > of restricting individual subscriptions unless the
> > corresponding library subscribes too.  This applies to some
> > of their journals, but the customer service rep did not know
> > the criteria for choosing which journals this applies to.
> > Does anyone know if this is a new policy, or is something
> > that was under my radar?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Jennifer
> >
> >
> >
> > Jennifer van Sickle
> >
> > Serials Librarian/Sciences Coordinator
> >
> > Trinity College Library
> >
> > 300 Summit St.
> >
> > Hartford, CT USA 06106
> >
> >
> >
> > phone: 860-297-2250
> >
> > fax: 860-297-2251
> >
> > jennifer.vansickle@trincoll.edu
> >
> >
> >