Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:29:52 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Shadle <shadle@u.washington.edu> To: "SERIALST: Serials in Libraries Discussion Forum" <SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU> First to answer Nancy's question, under current rules The Drama Review --> TDR is considered a minor change (21.2A2.a). However, this record was created under old rules so the question (though interesting and useful) doesn't help in determining whether a record created before Dec. 2002 is appropriate. Observations: * According to the record for TDR (#50670623), it appears that the full form still appears on the chief source as it is transcribed as other title information. This alone is enough to question why this record was created as there doesn't seem to be any other change (re-numbering, corporate body changes) which would cause a new record to be created under pre- or post-2002 rules. * The Drama Review (#2268763) has number of 019's. I'm guessing records have the 1988 change have been created and cancelled more than once. * The online version (Project Muse) continues to present both the acronym and full form of the title. Lacking a clear editorial statement, I'm assuming the change on the print record is an unintentional title change. * It appears NSDP assigned a new ISSN (1054-2043) for TDR (#50670623) but there is no NSDP authentication on that record. However, the ISSN does appear in ISSN Online. Perhaps, the new ISSN was originally assigned to one of the cancelled records and then the ISSN was incorrectly cancelled later?? Note that the ISSN Online record for the previous title does not have a link to the later title, so this needs to be fixed in the ISSN database in any case. 1054-2043 is being printed in the current issues. Regina...would you care to investigate? * Our local version of the earlier title record (with a spring 1999 latest issue consulted) has: 500 Issues for <1999-> lack full form of title on cover. We may have input this or this may have come from an earlier library working on the record. This does look odd when compared to 500 Title from cover. since one would assume that the chief source was the cover and the form chosen as title proper was dropped from chief source. However, what this note implies to me is that in 1968 there was no title page, but at some point, a title page began to be printed and then beginning with <1999>, only the cover dropped the full form but the full form continued to be printed on the title page. In any case, the note no longer appears on the record. LCRI 12.0B2 is pretty clear about the fact that the only time you don't use t.p. as chief source is in retrospective cataloging. Newly revised CCM 16.2.5b instructs the cataloger to continue to use the original source (in this case cover as title page substitute) when a title page is added on later issues only if the title page has a different title (to avoid creating a new record). This is not the case here as it appears the title page has the original title. Now having said all that (and completely bored all of you but the most die-hard serials catalogers ;-), I examined the current issue (didn't have immediate access to the spring 1988 issue) and Nancy is correct, it turns out to be a cataloger's definition of a title page. The page in question has a "banner" (for lack of a better word) at the top with both forms of title. The top half of the page contains editorial info and the bottom half contains a picture and caption and notes about the front and back covers. Not really looking like a traditional title page and in reviewing CCM 3.2.1c I would probably not consider it a title page. But I only examined current issues, I don't know what earlier issues looked like to know how to judge those. Also in looking at current issues, the full form is appearing in many other places (spine, running title), just not on the cover. IMONSHO, because of the ISSN considerations, I think NSDP should really step in to this in and determine whether a new record and ISSN are required. --Steve Steve Shadle shadle@u.washington.edu ******* Serials Cataloger ***** University of Washington Libraries, Box 352900 *** Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 685-3983 * On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Nancy Burns wrote: > > Why a cover would be used rather than a perfectly good title page for > > the chief source of information is odd, and the 245 not even matching > > the cover. > > The reason you aren't seeing a title change is because you ARE > seeing a "perfectly good title page". Often, and I think in this case, it > is hard to say whether a page is a true title page. CONSER says: "Some > pages obviously are title pages, others obviously are not title pages, and > in between there is a wide range of possibilities that keep catalogers > guessing!" > If, as on the records you cite, the cover is selected as chief > source, then there certainly was a title change between v. 31 and 32, > because "Drama review", which had formerly been the title proper, > disappeared completely from the cover/chief source at that point. I agree > that the later record is incorrect insofar as the 245 subfield b; I think > "Drama review" should instead be coded as 246 13, as an "Other Title", as > it doesn't appear on the cover/chief source. > I'm not yet familiar enough with the new title change rules to > know if they make a difference to the handling of this sort of situation; > would be interested to hear if so. Certainly it's the sort of change that > always makes catalogers groan. > > Nancy Burns > Cataloging Unit IV (Serials) > Princeton University Library > nburns@princeton.edu >