I am pleased Mr. Lester's non-Innopac system does not have this problem. The problem I described is insufficiently severe to induce our systems office to invest in a different system, and I think that would be the case generally. Miss Wong is working with an Innopac system. With regard to technology, I myself am not sure of anything. The time of day the data is collected is not of concern to me, but our director does insist on monthly reports and this is a kink of which one must be aware if one is not to be presenting one's supervisors with a very peculiar statistical time series. I couldn't be bothered to do daily downloads. I have other things to do. Courtesy titles are a component of keeping a civil distance from people, the utility of which remains as it was in 1962, even if fewer people avail themselves of it. We have over 5,000 titles. I haven't the spare time to be trolling the aisles looking for missing labels and barcodes. I do not know why they were disappearing from the shelves, but they were. That in and of itself was a minor problem. We had some superordinate reasons for junking the previous system which did not have to do with these physical properties and which were peculiar to this institution. The label problem was one I took into consideration in designing a new system, along with the downloading glitches. All of our internal use monitoring is done at a central location, at stationary workstations, where all books to be reshelved are ordered on carts. Our building is not so large that pushing a cart around is so troublesome. I have not noticed much systematic association between where books are found lying about in the building and where they are shelved, so I cannot see the efficiency gains to be had from shelving-as-you-go. At the time we implemented the new system, the circulation supervisor told me her students preferred the big honkin' binders to the portable reader. Cheers, IW I. Woodward Serials Office Colgate University Libraries 13 Oak Drive Hamilton, N.Y. 13346 USA Ph: 315-228-7306 Fax: 315-228-7934 iwoodward@mail.colgate.edu -----Original Message----- From: Dan Lester [mailto:dan@riverofdata.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 2:09 PM To: SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU Subject: Re: Percon Barcode Scanner used for Inhouse statistics Tuesday, December 3, 2002, 6:38:25 AM, you wrote: IW> inventory. One difficulty you find with such an implement is that IW> the Innopac system may freeze as you are attempting to download your IW> collected data. In such circumstances, the data you have collected IW> is lost. That has never been a problem with our non-Innopac system. We're quite sure it won't be with our future non-Innopac system either. IW> Also, the circulation statistics function credits the collected data IW> to the time at which you downloaded the data, not the time at which IW> it was input into the portable scanner. That hasn't been a problem, since we don't care what time of day they were used. I'm not sure why we would care, in fact. IW> If the monthly statistics are salient to you, you must remember to IW> download your data within the month you collected it. No problem. We do that daily. And of course same is true for daily, weekly, etc. IW> Our institution used to make use of barcodes on shelf labels IW> in a matter similar to that referred to by Mr. Lester. My goodness. I've not been called that in years. Mr. Lester was my father, who died over 40 years ago. IW> In addition to the troubles noted above, these labels disappear. That hasn't been a problem. They're thoroughly stuck on the shelves, and the library assistant who supervises the current periodicals area handles the rare problems. IW> Our student workers do not typically manifest the initiative to IW> actually inform the staff of anomalies and impediments such as this. IW> We thus removed these labels and relegated the portable reader to IW> tasks of inventory control. We have seven portable scanners and scan all items picked up anywhere in the building. IW> At this point, we have a print title list kept in some big IW> honkin' looseleaf binders. For each title, there is a barcode IW> attached to a dummy item record which functions as a deposit for use IW> statistics. We do that for microform sets and serials. IW> Mr. Lester's system requires such a dummy record as well. Before IW> shelving, our student workers arrange the mass to be shelved in IW> alphabetical order and then locate the barcode for each title in the IW> register, making one stroke across the appropriate barcode for each IW> item of a particular title to be shelved. Then you have to take the issues to a central location to scan, instead of just reshelving as you go. Or else you must haul that big honkin' binder around with you while picking up things. IW> Lists such as this do require maintenance. New titles have IW> to be added. True enough. Just as new titles have to be added to the catalog, the current periodical shelving area need new labels, and so forth. Of course either system, and undoubedly some others not mentioned, could work for a given library. One of the good things about a list like this is to see the wide variety of ways a problem can be solved. cheers dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com www.gailndan.com Stop Global Whining! I. Woodward Serials Office Colgate University Libraries 13 Oak Drive Hamilton, N.Y. 13346 USA Ph: 315-228-7306 Fax: 315-228-7934 iwoodward@mail.colgate.edu