-------- Original Message -------- From: "Peter Picerno" <ppicerno@nova.edu> Subject: RE: Invoking Cloture (Again) on "Serials Crisis = Library Underfunding" -- Albert Henderson Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:09:21 -0400 Mr. Henderson: There are several statements in your response to Mr. Velterop's posting which are interesting. Regarding: "These institutions report revenues and expenditures through the National Center for Education Statistics. Readers who do the ultimate calculations will find surpluses." -- I do not think that it is anywhere implicit in either the Constitution of the USA, the charter of any educational institution, or any other legal and or official source which comes to mind that any institution of higher education is under any obligation to spend every penny it receives. If it were, what would happen in times such as these when endowments, scholarship funds, university investments, and other non-budget sources of educational revenue suffer declines and losses of capital basis because of the recent economic downturn? I think that a surplus is a much wiser situation than a debt. Regarding: " ... library spending and profits of private research universities. According to published data, these institutions appear to have cut library spending in half, far more than the average of all higher ed institutions!" -- Interesting that all the cuts in library spending do not seem to have affected the viability of those institutions, their research, or their academic reputations. Perhaps, after all, some of those VPs for finance and Provosts have more wisdom than they are normally credited with! To interpolate from Mr. Velterop: "Scientists are not only the generators of the scientific literature, but also the main beneficiaries of their publications." So let them sow and reap their information crops without the intervention of libraries and publishers! If there are even five researchers at an institution who 'need' one very expensive journal, why should they, their research grants, or their department, not subscribe to it instead of breaking the library's budget with some staggering cost for information which is of use to less than .01% of a university's constituency? The internet, open access, electronic publishing, and such, are really just a return to what learned societies did before the emergence of journals and journal publishers: i.e., researchers with the same interests corresponded with one another without the 'benefit' of publications. Lectures and papers were presented at society meetings, important findings were distributed in oftentimes privately published monographs. Regarding: "... journal publishers would have invested in making the literature more completely available than it will ever be in the anarchy of researchers self-publishing various versions of their work. They also would have been able to invest in summaries, indexes, reviews, comments, and other aids to researchers confronted with a chaotic and unmanagable flood of information." -- But none of the publishers did that, did they?? Not even in the post-Sputnik era when academia was flowing with the milk and honey of instant tenure no obligations to have to teach classes, and laboratory corridors were paved with gold. So why should one ever have thought that there would be benevolent or philanthopic behavior on the part of an institution which essentially has thrived as a parasite -- i.e., feeding off of information which it does not itself generate but then claims ownership of that information which it then proceeds to withhold from all but those who are able and/or willing to pay exorbitantly. Cheers! P V Picerno -------- Original Message -------- Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:00:04 -0400 From: Albert Henderson <chessNIC@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Invoking Cloture (Again) on "Serials Crisis = Library Underfunding" Steven cannot help repeating his bizarre promise of a financial windfall benefiting researchers despite his unilateral 'cloture' in the discussion group that he 'moderates.' Each time he re-opens the door he should expect my newly phrased response aiming to illuminate the darker root of his project. In answer to Jan Velterop's question, US Department of Education statistics reflect a reduction of total library spending by all higher education institutions since 1976. The cut equals the increase in total revenues less expenditures (which I call profitability). That includes the so-called public institutions that our mythology claims spend every nickle they receive. These institutions report revenues and expenditures through the National Center for Education Statistics. Readers who do the ultimate calculations will find surpluses. I published a table summarizing these trends in my article "Growth of printed literature in the Twentieth Century" in SCHOLARLY PUBLISHING, edited by Abel and Newlin. (Wiley. 2000. p. 8) Library spending fell by one point while the surplus increased as much. I also published these historical trends in the supplemental graph that accompanies the online version of my editorial in SCIENCE [289:242. 2000] <http://www.sciencemag.org/feature/data/1051760.shl> On the same URL, you will also find library spending and profits of private research universities. According to published data, these institutions appear to have cut library spending in half, far more than the average of all higher ed institutions! More to the point, I believe that if library spending had kept pace with R&D -- as it did in the post-Sputnik decade -- journal publishers would have invested in making the literature more completely available than it will ever be in the anarchy of researchers self-publishing various versions of their work. They also would have been able to invest in summaries, indexes, reviews, comments, and other aids to researchers confronted with a chaotic and unmanagable flood of information. Thanks for asking. Albert Henderson Former Editor, PUBLISHING RESEARCH QUARTERLY 1994-2000 <70244.1532@compuserve.com> -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: September 1998 American Scientist Forum, INTERNET:SEPTEMBER98-FORUM@LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG To: [unknown], INTERNET:SEPTEMBER98-FORUM@LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG Date: 9/17/2002 5:12 PM RE: Re: Invoking Cloture (Again) on "Serials Crisis = Library Underfunding" [Moderator's Note. As Jan Velterop is relatively new to this, I have to point out that cloture means that no more discussion will be posted on this topic. (This is no reflection on Jan's excellent commentary!) Albert Henderson's Library-Underfunding-Conspiracy Hypothesis has been discussed endlessly on this list and nothing new has been said by its proponent in years. The relentless repetition has lately only been relieved by a rise in intemperateness (towards university administrations) on Albert's (usually good-natured) part (as I, Charlie-Brown-like, keep relenting now and then on Albert's postings, which are not always obviously headed back to the perennial football). But experience has repeatedly confirmed that, unstanched, the flow takes over all bandwidth, and it's always back down to Library-Underfunding, irrespective of what new possibilities the online medium may offer. The past discussion is all there, permanently, in the Amsci Forum Archives. That's enough. There is no need to keep re-enacting it year after year. Out of courtesy to Jan, I will exceptionally post his unexceptionable comment this time, but please, no more on this topic! If anyone really wants to keep discussing the Library-Underfunding-Conspiracy with Albert, they can email him directly. He maintains a Blind CC list of some or all of the Amsci list anyway, so, under his auspices, those people will be spammed with his replies whether they like it or not, but at least it won't go to the official list, or be archived. But I can't keep approving comments unless I let Albert reply, regardless of how predicatble his reply may be! -- S.H.] Jan Velterop <jan@biomedcentral.com>: According to Albert Henderson "...the profitability of higher education institutions in the U.S. increased by exactly the same amount that was ruthlessly cut from library spending". Is that *all* or most of US HE institutions, Mr Henderson? Fortunately, the world of science doesn't begin and end in the US. The overwhelming majority of HE institutions elsewhere are not in profit, or anywhere near, and just cannot afford sufficient access to the scientific literature at current price levels, indeed sometimes not even to what could be seen as the essential basic scientific information. Is Mr Henderson implying that scientific pursuits, or even efforts to improve health, the environment, education, et cetera should not be for those without the requisite wealth? Scientists are not only the generators of the scientific literature, but also the main beneficiaries of their publications. Maximum dissemination is in their direct interest. They gain in terms of citations, feedback, recognition, acknowledgement and that enhances their career prospects and the prospects of continuing their research. It is not for nothing that they don't get paid for their published research articles. The value of research results for scientists lies not in the saleability of the research articles. If possible they would broadcast their results. The point is that that it now is possible. Full open access to primary research literature is wholly logical and the only reason why it wasn't there in the past was its physical impossibility. That's now remedied by the existence of the internet. The *only* reason why publishers exist is the need for 'stratification' and certification of the literature (quality control, labelling, whatever you call it). Publishers, with their journals, are the organisers of that stratification and certification. And some may also find a role in facilitating open access in a professional way. That's what they should earn their money with, not with creating artificial scarcity of the information and the subsequent high prices that are typical for scarce commodities. Of course, as long as they can get away with it, they will. But Mr Henderson's indignation over the emergence of desirable alternatives is little short of absurd. Jan Velterop Publisher, BioMed Central