----------1 From: vtaffurelli@nypl.org Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:11:12 -0400 Rick Anderson wrote: "Not all online resources are better than their print counterparts, of course. But most of them are." Be very cautious about cancelling print in lieu of online access. Many publishers impose an embargo period for making issues available electronically. Not all journals are imaged. Some are not completely full-text. Sometimes researches need to see the juxtaposition of articles with advertisements or other articles. Some backfiles are incomplete. Although there are many advantages to using electronic versus print, as has been pointed out many times, there are just as many, if not more, drawbacks. At a previous NASIG Conference (I don't remember which one), someone (I don't remember who) conducted a title-by-title comparison of the print and the so-called electronic version. (Perhaps someone can supply the conference and presenter information). In some cases, whole articles were missing from the electronic version; in other cases, entire issues were missing, even though they were listed in the TOC &/or holdings statement. Some titles are available in pdf format, but the scanned page is illegible. Many electronic versions don't include reviews or editorials. Full-text does mot always mean FULL-TEXT. The ideal scenario is to maintain both formats, if your library can afford the cost and the space for storing the print or microfilm replacememt. Just my 2 cents worth. Have a safe 4th of July everyone. Virginia Taffurelli Head of Technical Processing Science, Industry and Business Library The New York Public Library 188 Madison Avenue New York NY 10016-4314 Phone: (212) 592-7234 FAX: (212) 592-7233 ----------2 From: Dena Luce <dluce@faulkner.edu> Subject: RE: Print vs Online Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:17:17 -0500 Vickey, We have only cancelled a small portion of our print titles as we are also concerned about the fluctuation of titles and coverage dates on the databases. We cancelled some of the weekly titles such as Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News & World Report. I've been converting more titles to microform due to space needs but I'm not prepared to cancel anything else at this time. Some of our patrons prefer to print the articles and some like to photocopy them, so there's a happy medium. The databases are great for our extended campus and off-campus students who might not have access to a journal collection and the main campus students can use either. Hope this helps. Dena Lahue Luce dluce@faulkner.edu Extended Services Librarian (334) 386-7482 (ph.) Nichols Library (334) 386-7481 (fax) Faulkner University 5345 Atlanta Hwy. Montgomery, AL 36109-3398 -----Original Message----- From: Baumli,Vickey [mailto:VBAUMLI@MAIL.NWMISSOURI.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:58 AM To: SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU Subject: Print vs Online Our Reference Librarians are so enthralled with all the new full text databases that we are having to cancel more and more of our print periodicals to finance the online things. I am concerned that it won't be but a few years and we will have no current periodicals left. Can anyone tell me what trends their libraries are following and how they determine where the happy medium is? Thanks and everyone have a safe and happy July 4th! Vickey Baumli Serials Specialist Owens Library Northwest Missouri State University Maryville, MO 64468 660-562-1536 ----------3 From: "McCaffrey, Thomas" <McCaffrey@champlain.edu> Subject: RE: Print vs Online Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:39:29 -0400 Oh, boy--I hardly know where to begin on this one. Probably lucky that I don't have any real amount of time to answer this, but I can't resist bursting your bubble. "a lousy way to disseminate information"? indeed!! Give me the printed word anytime. There is so much unreliable about online, so much garbage out there! I'm just at a loss for words, which I seldom am. Scholars have been pouring over books for thousands of years, and hopefully, will continue to do so for eternity. The internet would be nowhere were it not for the collected wisdom of the ages available in books. Every day, millions of children are turned on to the joys and advantages of reading BOOKS--not computer screens, which are flipped like so many TV channels and deleted or lost forever. Eventually, soon, this "information age" will be supplanted by some other form of progress, something which will sweep civilization into the next "gotta-have-it" mania, but you can be sure that somewhere, someone will bring a book along, for leisure reading, for inspiration, or for instruction. Now I have to get back to the work of checking in our BOOKS & Periodicals. Thanks for "listening". -----Original Message----- From: Rick Anderson [mailto:rickand@UNR.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:55 AM To: SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU Subject: Re: Print vs Online > Our Reference Librarians are so enthralled with all the new full text > databases that we are having to cancel more and more of our print > periodicals to finance the online things. I am concerned that > it won't be > but a few years and we will have no current periodicals left. I think the question your library needs to be asking itself is not "Do we have too much online and not enough print?" but rather "Are we making the most and best possible information available to our patrons in the way that works best for them?" Our library is tending in the same direction as yours -- generally replacing print with online. Why? Because print is, and has always been, a pretty lousy way to disseminate information (especially reference information). In the past we didn't have a choice. Now we do. Online products are usually deeply searchable, can be used by multiple patrons at a time, can be used remotely, and are available 24 hours a day. Print products are generally searchable in only a very limited way, can be used by only one patron at a time, can only be used in the library, and are only available when the library is open. Not all online resources are better than their print counterparts, of course. But most of them are. Does this trend mean that some of us may end up with no current periodicals in print form? Maybe (though I doubt it). But again, that's not the important question. The important question is how we can best meet the needs of our patrons. We need to be able to answer that question honestly, and follow the answer wherever it takes us. ------------- Rick Anderson Director of Resource Acquisition The University Libraries University of Nevada, Reno "I'm not against the modern 1664 No. Virginia St. world. I just don't think Reno, NV 89557 everything's for sale." PH (775) 784-6500 x273 -- Elvis Costello FX (775) 784-1328 rickand@unr.edu ----------4 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 11:50:24 -0500 From: Kelly Joyce <joyce@hanover.edu> Subject: Re: Print vs Online Hello: I have just begun working as the head of Periodicals here (though I have lots of past PER experience, albeit when 'online' wasn't an issue). From discussing this issue with my predecessor, we have been somewhat hesitant to jump on the online bandwagon, for the primary reason that there are few guarantees that this resource will be available indefinitely. Should we get rid of print copies going back 50 years and then the online provider goes under or decides to drop that particular title, we would have nothing to fall back on. The exceptions to this are with Project Muse and JSTOR, both of which I understand will provide access; I believe JSTOR will give us everything on CDRom should something happen. It's an issue that I'm preparing to evaluate in the next year, along with electronic subscriptions that come with print version. We have several faculty members that are unhappy that we don't provide individual title access, but rely on databases like EBSCO, JSTOR, etc. Curious to see other responses to this topic. - Kelly Joyce