At least one university (I believe Harvard's Faculty of Arts and Sciences) has put a limit on the number of articles it will consider during any one person's tenure review. This idea suggests that quantity alone will not be rewarded, and puts a premium on quality. I believe in our own field of librarianship, much of the publishing is driven by the need for academic librarians to publish or perish, and to keep publishing at least a minimal amount throughout our careers. A limit on the amount of material that may be submitted for tenure and/or promotion consideration might well improve both research and the resulting publications. Donna Packer Librarian for the College of Business and Economics Western Washington University Libraries Bellingham, WA 98225 E-Mail donna.packer@wwu.edu Telephone 360.650.3335 Fax 360.650.3044 -----Original Message----- From: Peter Picerno [mailto:ppicerno@choctaw.astate.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 10:52 AM To: SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU Subject: Re: Harnad vs. Henderson: A view from the bleachers An excellent and eloquent reply, David. What strikes me as interesting is that in the entirety of this discussion, little mention has been made of one of the more ubiquitous driving forces for research and publication -- and that is the requirement for publication to be used in the service of the almighty promotion and tenure process. I know from my own association with one aspect of 'scientific' research that studies are often rushed into print with inadequate population samples, shaky statistical manipulations of data, and shoddy peer reviews. Some of these studies have appeared in the so-called prestigious journals and some have been presented at conferences. This has led me to question the validity of the motivation for a lot of research in many fields as well as the results. I do not, certainly, mean to denigrate research and researchers, however, I do like to quote an article in the NY Times which appeared some months ago (in regards to the AMA publications, I think) in which the writer stated that if publication were not a part of the promotion and tenure requirements of academia, about two-thirds of the world's journals could comfortably cease to exist. The very fact that many academic P-T committees will not regard electronic publishing as a valid forum for research further adds to the lumbering and archaic system to which Mr. Moore refers. Until academia comes up with other criteria for P-T, we will be saddled with an academic arena bloated with journals, many of which exist simply as vehicles for publications which are necessary to satisfy the requirements of academia. Since it seems that journals are a black hole both in terms of information (good or bad) and in terms of cost, the hard cold fact remains that no library -- even in the best of circumstances -- could begin to afford even a smattering of journals in all of the fields which the library is to support. Hence, librarians must make decisions, and those decisions must be made in favor of the majority of the university patrons and not a small vested-interest group (or, more specifically, one faculty member). If a journal enjoys very little use by library patrons, there is every justification for cutting it -- if someone has a real interest in the information contained in that journal, there are many ways of getting it (I mean, would it be too much to ask that a faculty member subscribe themselves -- and usually for a fraction of the cost of an institutional membership????). As electronic and digital information sweeps over us, libraries are less and less apt to continue to be warehouses for everything ever published and are more and more apt to become information managing agencies. If this is a real trend, then its implications for those adherents to print journals and those who wish to warehouse them will be many and deep. Librarians and publishers alike need to look towards the future of publishing -- the real future and not a stubborn adherence to what has been! -- rather than clinging to a past which is slipping away even as we speak (to whit: the fact that this entire discussion has been carried on in electronic form rather than as a series of letters to an editor!). Accusing university administrators of stinginess in funding, accusing librarians of being short-sighted in providing for information needs, and accusing publishers of gouging the academic community get nobody anywhere other than taking up lots of bytes and time. What is needed is an asessment of the system of scholarly communication in the 21st century: how it will, and already does, differ from what has come before it and how that will impact the publishing industry as well as the library industry. What is also needed is an asessment of the evaluative tools used for granting tenure and promotions to faculty (assuming that such statuses will continue in academia) and the reliance of a possible out-moded measurement (i.e., the published article) as a factor in such an evaluation. We *have* met the enemy -- and it is very possible that it is *all* of us!! Peter V. Picerno <ppicerno@choctaw.astate.edu> -------------- Original message --------------- From: David Goodman <dgoodman@PHOENIX.PRINCETON.EDU> The extent to which a university is being prudent rather than miserly in not spending all its endowment returns is much-debated. I and almost all other librarians and faculty obvious think that in general the university should spend more than 1/3 or 1/2. This is a matter of major concern, but its effects are not limited to libraries. If my university were to spend half again as much of its income from the endowment there would be many useful things to do with the money in addition to library resources. In fact, if my admittedly extremely wealthy university were to spend twice as much on the library (which would not be that much of its income), and I think it certainly can and certainly should, I would suggest that most of the money be used for increasing the number of professional staff devoted to direct user services and user outreach, and not primarily to the acquisitions budget. I do not think our administrators mistaken when they say that scientific journals as currently published are in large part not worth the money. I think they are very much mistaken when they say we can reduce our expenditures on them when we do not yet have an alternative system implemented. I think they are indeed looking at quality and, Al, that you are not. You have been maintaining on this list and elsewhere that everything currently published, and more, is worth publishing, even at the current costs. I know that in my subject this statement shows an ignorance of the relatively low worth of most of it, and I suspect this is true of many if not all other fields. (It might help you realize this if -- off the list-- you and I were to examine some of the actual material published in any field we both understood.) The provision of the optimal information does not mean provision of the maximal information. No researchers could do original research if it was also necessary for them to keep track of literally all conceivably relevant work. What the librarian's role is, in both reader services and collections building, is to help them find the information they need, and avoid the information they do not need. The second part of that is the harder. But for all the information they need, they are no longer dependent upon the scientific journals for distributing it or even for validating it. I will not recap all the proposals, and I do not claim to be able to predict what the successful system will prove to be. But I do know that we could adequately distribute all current research at very much less cost without loss of essential function, and I think we will. Libraries do need additional resources. We will not get them if it is not thought we will use them wisely. Spending yet more over the indefinite future on the present system of scientific journals is about the most unproductive use of the money I can imagine. I, like you, want everything possible to be available for research. But I know that this can only be done if it is made available at a practical cost. If you insist upon making it available in a way appropriate only to the most prestigious material , the result will be that it will not be made available at all. The more esoteric the material, the smaller the audience, the truer this is. The more a university library is a research institution, the truer it is. Even if some research libaries were funded as you hope, most of the educational world would not be able to afford them. The more important you general availability is, the more important low cost is. I think it more important to disseminate the results of research and scholarship than to price them as luxuries. Al, a personal plea: if you would direct your efforts to finding out what researchers and teachers really need now, and helping us get it, you would do much more good than if you continue to maintain, contrary to all experience over the last decade at least, that what they need is a bigger and more expensive version of a cumbersome and outmoded system. David Goodman, Princeton University Biology Library dgoodman@princeton.edu 609-258-3235 On Mon, 22 May 2000, Albert Henderson wrote: ...........>