Subject:	RE: [SERIALST] Cease claiming, checking in, binding
From:	"Koveleskie, Judith" <kovelesk@setonhill.edu>
Date:	Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:58:00 -0500

Oh, c’mon ladies. This is a commonly accepted accounting term and includes both genders.

Judith A. Koveleskie, MLIS, MA

Periodicals Librarian

Seton Hill University

Reeves Memorial Library

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From: SERIALST: Serials in Libraries Discussion Forum [mailto:SERIALST@list.uvm.edu] On Behalf Of Ginanni, Katy
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:46 AM
To: SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: [SERIALST] Cease claiming, checking in, binding

I agree with Martha. I’m not a man, and neither is 75% of my staff.

Katy G.

Katy Ginanni, E-Access & Serials Librarian and liaison to Soc/Anth & WAGS

Trinity University

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From: SERIALST: Serials in Libraries Discussion Forum [mailto:SERIALST@list.uvm.edu] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Pamela
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:16 AM
To: SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: [SERIALST] Cease claiming, checking in, binding

Martha, staff-hours would not mean the same thing as man-hours.

Staff is plural, which defeats the meaning.

Man-hours works for me.

Pamela L. O'Brien

Library Assistant

Biomedical Library

St. Jude Children's Research Hospital

901-595-3389

From: SERIALST: Serials in Libraries Discussion Forum [mailto:SERIALST@list.uvm.edu] On Behalf Of Martha M. Davis
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:14 AM
To: SERIALST@LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: [SERIALST] Cease claiming, checking in, binding

Interesting thoughts on these procedures. But.... STAFF hours please (not man-hours)

MMD

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Subject:	RE: [SERIALST] Cease claiming, checking in, binding
From:	"Deeken, Joanne" <jdeeken@utk.edu>
Date:	Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:55:52 -0500

Me, too. I get quite upset with the continued use of the male pronouns in a field dominated by women. If you don’t want to use the term “staff hours” which I greatly prefer, then use woman hours, not man hours. And if I hear one more time that someone is going to “man” a desk instead of “staff” a desk, I really will scream.

JoAnne

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Subject:	RE: [SERIALST] Cease claiming, checking in, binding
From:	Susan Sturgeon <ssturgeon@salemstate.edu>
Date:	Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:57:29 -0500

What's wrong with person hours?? A litle awkward, but easily gotten used to!!

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Subject:	RE: [SERIALST] Cease claiming, checking in, binding
From:	"Bennett, Karla" <KBennett@wichita.gov>
Date:	Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:08:14 -0600

I thought she was being politically correct – “staff” being the generic term, as opposed to “man” being the sexually specific term.

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Subject:	RE: [SERIALST] Cease claiming, checking in, binding
From:	"Thompson,Tracey" <thomtd@ad.nmsu.edu>
Date:	Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:10:59 -0700

I would really prefer that we not degenerate into debates on minutia. As my high school rhetoric teacher stated, man is a generic term used to refer to both sexes. They save the term of she/her for those of us that are special. The term man-hours was not intended to offend anyone, and it would be nice to move beyond the point where we correct each others grammar and can participate in meaningful discussions. This list has not participated in snippy discussions or flaming in the past, so please, let’s not start now.

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Subject:	RE: [SERIALST] Cease claiming, checking in, binding
From:	"O'Brien, Pamela" <Pamela.O'Brien@STJUDE.ORG>
Date:	Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:04:40 -0600

Actually, I did check a dictionary before I wrote, my print Merriam-Webster shows the definition of staff as “a body of assistants…” or “a group of officers…” and then the next entry is staffer : a member of a staff.

I just waded through several online dictionary definitions and after 3 or 4 entries showing it as a plural word, there was one entry showing the entry you refer to.

This just emphasizes to me the reason a word like man-hours, has worked for so many years.

Everyone knows what it means. You don’t need to look it up in a dictionary to prove what it means.

I’m just saying that a man-hour denotes a unit of one person’s work for one hour. Simple as that…why complicate it?

Pam

Pamela L. O'Brien

Library Assistant

Biomedical Library

St. Jude Children's Research Hospital

901-595-3389

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Subject:	RE: [SERIALST] Cease claiming, checking in, binding
From:	"Cynthia Hsieh" <chsieh@pacific.edu>
Date:	Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:05:50 -0800

Just came back from the long weekend and still in “playful” mode. Should we start using “huwomen” instead of “human”? I am a woman who doesn’t mind being addressed as man. Just joking.

Staff hour or man hour doesn’t really matter to me because I know what Pamela was trying to say.