C/2023 A3 Anti Tail October 14th 2024 luigi morrone (19 Oct 2024 18:02 UTC)
RE: [BAA Comets] C/2023 A3 Anti Tail October 14th 2024 rmiles.btee@btinternet.com (19 Oct 2024 19:37 UTC)
Re: [BAA Comets] C/2023 A3 Anti Tail October 14th 2024 Nick James (19 Oct 2024 19:43 UTC)
RE: [BAA Comets] C/2023 A3 Anti Tail October 14th 2024 rmiles.btee@btinternet.com (19 Oct 2024 19:53 UTC)
RE: [BAA Comets] C/2023 A3 Anti Tail October 14th 2024 rmiles.btee@btinternet.com (19 Oct 2024 20:00 UTC)
Re: [BAA Comets] C/2023 A3 Anti Tail October 14th 2024 walcom77 (19 Oct 2024 20:15 UTC)
Re: [BAA Comets] C/2023 A3 Anti Tail October 14th 2024 Nick James (19 Oct 2024 20:18 UTC)
Re: Re: [BAA Comets] C/2023 A3 Anti Tail October 14th 2024 Richard Miles (19 Oct 2024 22:33 UTC)
Re: C/2023 A3 Anti Tail October 14th 2024 luigi morrone (20 Oct 2024 06:16 UTC)
Re: [BAA Comets] Re: C/2023 A3 Anti Tail October 14th 2024 RICHARD HILL (20 Oct 2024 07:31 UTC)

Re: [BAA Comets] C/2023 A3 Anti Tail October 14th 2024 walcom77 19 Oct 2024 20:15 UTC
This is another image dated back to September 24.

Obviously the image conditions are very different from those of the
more recent images (this one attached was also with the comet a few
degrees above the horizon). But the shadow of the nucleus is clearly
visible.

Clear Skies,
Ernesto

On Sat, Oct 19, 2024 at 10:06 PM walcom77 <walcom77@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> Yes, sure. Attached for example an image of C/2023 A3 imaged at 19UT
> of Sept. 26, 2024 with a 35cm telescope of SPACEFLUX network in
> Australia.
>
> It is a stack of 8x30-second exposure LUM filter, with the comet just
> +8 degree on the horizon (and SUN -12).
>
> Clear Skies,
> Ernesto
>
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2024 at 10:00 PM rmiles.btee at btinternet.com (via
> baa-comet list) <baa-comet@simplelists.com> wrote:
> >
> > That's really helpful, Ernesto.
> > I was hoping that it isn't too aligned with the orbital plane direction - we'll see.
> >
> > Do you have one or two example images that show this well that I could use too?
> >
> > Clear skies,
> > Richard
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: baa-comet@simplelists.com <baa-comet@simplelists.com> On Behalf Of walcom77
> > Sent: 19 October 2024 20:54
> > To: baa-comet@simplelists.com
> > Subject: Re: [BAA Comets] C/2023 A3 Anti Tail October 14th 2024
> >
> > Hi Richard, Nick
> >
> > That dark line was visible since at least the end of September in my images. I think it is what they often call in comet literature the "shadow of the nucleus".
> >
> > Clear Skies,
> > Ernesto
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 19, 2024 at 9:44 PM Nick James <ndj@nickdjames.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Richard,
> > >
> > > Yes, the dark line is real. It has been there since the 13th but is
> > > much fainter now. It was most obvious on the day of plane crossing
> > > (Oct 14) and it lined up exactly with the anti-tail. I had assumed
> > > that it was dust in the orbital plane attenuating the tail.
> > >
> > > My images from the evening of the 14th show it as a very thin line:
> > >
> > > https://spaceweather.com/images2024/16oct24/2023a3_20241014_2001_ndj.j
> > > pg
> > >
> > > The nucleus of this comet is quite small so I wouldn't think that this
> > > was a flow effect but it is an interesting idea.
> > >
> > > Nick.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 19/10/2024 20:36, rmiles.btee at btinternet.com (via baa-comet
> > > list)
> > > wrote:
> > > > Fascinating image, Luigi.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > May I draw attention to what appears to be a central dark ‘lane’ extending from the pseudonucleus a long way down the tail of the comet.
> > > >
> > > > Is this real and not an artifact of the processing? I would like to think it is real.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The reason is that the size of the solid nucleus acting as a block to the flow of dust and gas feeding the tail and the size of the gas-inflated cloud of dust on the sunward side of the nucleus should be of comparable dimensions to create such a dark lane downwind of the nucleus. In particular, the pressure of the gas in the latter cloud should be in the so-called Knudsen region below which the gas can no longer accelerate the dust particles. This sets a limit on the effective size of this ‘close-in’ dust and gas cloud, probably <100 km across for sure.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I’ll be giving a talk at the BAA on 2025 March 26 in London where this idea will be applied to outbursting comets. The title of that talk is “Eruptive Comets: A Comparison of comets 12P/Pons-Brooks and 29P/Schwassmann-Wachmann”. I would like to use your image for that talk to show the effect can manifest itself in regular comets too.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Richard
> > >
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