RE: [comets-ml] 2007 HE4
rmiles.btee@btinternet.com
(28 Jul 2024 15:19 UTC)
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RE: [comets-ml] 2007 HE4
rmiles.btee@btinternet.com
(28 Jul 2024 15:48 UTC)
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Re: [comets-ml] 2007 HE4
Maik Meyer
(28 Jul 2024 16:38 UTC)
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Re: [BAA Comets] Re: [comets-ml] 2007 HE4 Nick James (28 Jul 2024 21:36 UTC)
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RE: [BAA Comets] Re: [comets-ml] 2007 HE4
Jonathan Shanklin - BAS
(29 Jul 2024 07:25 UTC)
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Re: [BAA Comets] Re: [comets-ml] 2007 HE4
Maik Meyer
(29 Jul 2024 08:03 UTC)
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Re: [BAA Comets] Re: [comets-ml] 2007 HE4
Nick James
(29 Jul 2024 08:32 UTC)
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Re: [BAA Comets] Re: [comets-ml] 2007 HE4
Nick James
(31 Jul 2024 11:24 UTC)
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RE: [BAA Comets] Re: [comets-ml] 2007 HE4
Jonathan Shanklin - BAS
(31 Jul 2024 11:36 UTC)
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Re: [BAA Comets] Re: [comets-ml] 2007 HE4
James Dawson
(05 Aug 2024 14:06 UTC)
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Re: [BAA Comets] Re: [comets-ml] 2007 HE4
Nick James
(05 Aug 2024 23:05 UTC)
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Maik, That's a great piece of detective work. I've had a play around with the available astrometry using Bill Gray's Findorb and I agree that the linkage looks secure. This is a really interesting result for me since, as Richard mentioned, Denning was the first BAA Comet Section director (1891-1893). That was 12 directors ago: https://britastro.org/section_information_/comet-section-overview/history-of-the-baa-comet-section D/1894 F1 was his fourth and final comet and it's great to have it back again! The attached is a contemporary report from the JBAA. ACDC is third director of the section, Andrew Crommelin. I'm putting together a news item for the BAA website. It is not often that a lost comet is found again, particularly one with such a connection to the BAA. Thanks again for the great work. Nick. On 28/07/2024 17:37, Maik Meyer wrote: > Hello Richard, > >> O.K. Sam - I hadn’t picked up the fact that the spread of >> observations during the 30-day arc was very poor. That explains it in >> that the MPC and JPL ephemerides are different because of the actual >> observations employed along with any weighting factors, etc. also differ. >> >> Given Maik’s linkage, when do you think we can expect the new orbit to >> be published so that we can then plan an observing campaign to recover >> the object? > > Personally, I think the linkage is safe. It would be a very big > coincidence to have 2007 HE4 moving on a perfectly fitted arc of one > month without systematic deviations which are usually a tell-tale sign > of an incorrect link. > > I have also checked several logbooks of observatories for possible > observations, especially of the favourable apparition of 1963/64, but > was not successful. Elizabeth Roemer missed it by 2.3 degrees on 1964 > Feb 4, when she was imaging 59P/Kearns-Kwee. Denning would have been > then maybe of magnitude 14-15. > > Unfortunately, 1964 not many surveys were operating, POSS I was already > over. But it is not astonishing to miss such a faint comet, there are > many which have been missed that were even brighter. > > I think the final decision will be the next perihelion. It is not > perfect but also not awfully bad and it may reach 18 mag or brighter. > Here's an orbit for this epoch. > > Orbital elements: D/1894 F1 > Perihelion 2025 Dec 4.06727 TT = 1:36:52 (JD 2461013.56727) > A1: -3.83e-9 A2: 3.58e-10 AU/day^2 > Epoch 2025 Dec 1.0 TT = JDT 2461010.5 Earth MOID: 0.5820 Ju: 0.0606 > M 359.67526526 Ma: 0.0222 Meyer > n 0.10587093 Peri. 109.41912 > a 4.42538997 Node 20.62196 > e 0.6471858 Incl. 4.02545 (J2000 ecliptic) > P 9.31 H 15.0 G 0.15 q 1.56134008 Q 7.28943986 > 242 of 312 observations 1894 Mar. 27-2007 May 18; mean residual 3".28 > > I think it would be good to publish an orbit for folks to be aware and > try to recover it early. > > Regards > > Maik